help stop horse theft.

[LVGaryD]

Well here is some further information on the topic of this thread.

Four Starz Valley was a good horse in his day. Fred Grant apparently broke and trained him his two and three year-old years. He did very little for the Grant Stable.

As a four year-old, none other than Marvin Raber trained the horse and got him qualified and sold the horse to William Fahy.

Fahy had the horse from August of 2009-May 2010, when he was apparently sold and went to a trainer named Stewart Nemiro, who raced the horse only three times before sending him back to Fahy, who scratched the horse from his qualifier in July 2010.

Starry then moved west to California to what looked like his final destination. Apparently Nathalie Tremblay trained the horse when he broke down in October 2010.

Then the horse was supposedly given away to a good home, but I have learned through my Amish sources that I was sadly mistaken about how many times he had changed hands after Ms. Wiener gave the horse away. He went through 5 different Amish owners and no less than two different Amish sales, one in Pennsylvania and one in Mt. Hope, Ohio, (and not Sugarcreek as I said earlier). I do not know why I said Sugarcreek because I spoke with one of the owners of the Mt. Hope sale and he told me the story as he knew it before I posted my due diligence.

Anyway as I said earlier, Ms. Wiener never tried to designate the horse "Pleasure Only" with the USTA until after he qualified, according my source at the USTA.

I also learned that Raber contacted Ms. Wiener both on the phone and through his attorney on more than one occasion and she apparently did not want to pay the training bill for the horse she claimed to own. Thus Marvin Raber's attorney took matters into his own hands and according to Ohio lien law, Mr. Raber now owns the horse.

As far as the horse's condition, all I know is that he will race soon. He is not lame, he is well taken care of (according to my sources), and he has gained a whole lot of weight since Raber got the horse.

With all this being said, I understand Ms. Wiener feels like she got screwed by the person who took the horse and agreed to give it a good home, but the way I see it,  Marvin Raber has done absolutely nothing immoral or illegal in this matter. Fuzzpants and Ms. Wiener are mad at the wrong person if they are mad at Marvin Raber.

Now the horse may stay sound forever or may break his coffin bone again...or may colic and die tonight-only our Lord Jesus knows. I do know that Bill Fahy had a horse break a coffin bone three times many years ago, and he came back and raced.

Hopefully several people who have been bickering about the horse will see the Light and stfu about Marvin Raber. He is a friend of several friend of mine and though I have never met the guy, he is ok in my book.

[3 wide and wingin]

I wish I had the recources and the time to be a  Magnum PI on this and get all the facts 100% correct.
Might even be a book in it.

Not much bickering here can do. We will all be monitoring the horse now if he ends up in a sale or racing and that will be that. Hate seeing well meaning people bicker.

I m ordering you a badge Gary.
Pick your favorite.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/stockbadges.html

[LVGaryD]

I wish I had the recources and the time to be a  Magnum PI on this and get all the facts 100% correct.
Might even be a book in it.

Not much bickering here can do. We will all be monitoring the horse now if he ends up in a sale or racing and that will be that. Hate seeing well meaning people bicker.

I m ordering you a badge Gary.
Pick your favorite.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/stockbadges.html

Nobody has Ohio harness racing resources like old Gary D, laddie. Nobody!   

[Just Saying]

Heaven forbid if a racehorse was deemed unraceable came back and had a good career. 

[Headpole Dave]

Libel written by Fuzzy on Raber:

With that many damn animals on the freeway bet you the sorry SON OF A BEACH has a puppy mill at home .
Marvin you have to be so damn inbred if you married your  cousin it would be an outcross. You common SOB.
Marvin Raber the horse industry raper. YOu common ass korn holn crap hell has no hiding place you sick SOB. We are all lookn for you now every horse you own will be found no matter where you commn inbred ass hides them or moves them.. dont the sorry inbred bastard can read.

Apart from the atrocious spelling, grammar and word choice (and the libel) it's funny that before she started firing stones, she forgot about the glass house she lived in...

Fuzzy you do know that the trainer that Wendi Weiner employs, Nathalie Tremblay has had positive tests in the past for drug violations? One on old Arch Nemeses. She's also been involved in hidden ownership, and was stupid enough to go the judges about it: http://www.chrb.ca.gov/Stewards/Minutes/Minutes_Cal_Expo/Minutes_CE_12_01_29.pdf

Plus she was front and center vouching for a guy who was admittedly cheating, taking money to go in the tank. http://www.chrb.ca.gov/board/board_decisions/Decision_RB_10_01_15.pdf

So that's Wendi Weiner's buddy and trainer. Maybe you should start one of your tirades on her. Hell maybe that's the connection from the horse to Raber... In fact wasn't it her trainer that advised this retirement home in the first place? She's already proven she's mixed up in drugs, shady deals and shady characters... Your hero Weimer sure picked a beauty to train her animals. Do you "aprove" of her choice?

[LVGaryD]

Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption  for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

 

[The Giss]

Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption  for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

 

RACK HIM!

(And lock the thread)

[Headpole Dave]

Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption  for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

 

I didn't start the pissing match, but if you're going to write the things that this person wrote about a man she doesn't know about a situation she isn't fully briefed upon, than she should be prepared to take a little back. Especially when everything I posted was actually factual.

As far as Tremblay sticking up for a guy who took money to go in the tank.... I have no time for that at all... The guy admits he took the cash, the only reason he's sorry is that per his own admission he doesn't have any other skills that would transfer over to the real world.  To me that's just apologizing because you got caught, and to let him back in does nothing to protect the best interests of the betting public.

That's my opinion though, and I didn't have to resort to libeling the man. Unlike some other mostly illiterate people here.

[The Gripper]

Why have we all not been informed as to the identity of the  person who was given the horse originally?
You have 2 clowns championing the cause of the original owner and trainer, yet they won't name who the horse was given to. Why?
Of the 2 clowns, 1 is a blithering idiot who cannot write a coherant sentence, the other is a suspected drug trainer from NY.

[beans and weenies]

If someone knows answer to The Gripper's question could this possibly end this thread? 

[LVGaryD]

Some lady named Linda, allegedly. She has allegedly done the same with many other horses from the Garden State since she stopped sending them to slaughter in Arizona.

Now this is second hand information, but it is  from an Amishman, so I doubt it would not be true.

[Just Saying]

I confess! I stole the horse to plow my garden, but since it doesn't rain here anymore I won't be able to get hay to feed him.

Crime solved.

[AmyHollar]

All of a sudden I am no longer a bad guy.............or am I? 

[Just Saying]

All of a sudden I am no longer a bad guy.............or am I? 

You're a GUY? Dang, I was flirting with you for nothing. (or maybe I'm a gay horse thief)

[AmyHollar]

I knew you were a liberal!