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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Elgin on May 25, 2012, 12:35:46 PM
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Case is one of the best to ever hold a set of lines... wonderfully gifted. But he is a ticking bomb. I honestly don't know what to do with him. I wish I had his driving talent, without his demons.
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They obviously didn't license him
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Too bad. Better than "purple jesus" at Northfield. Had an active boot, though.
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To answer the thread's question:
I believe he was seen fighting with Freelegged for a few of those 5 cent bottles! thumbsup
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unfortunately rejected by USTA
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Had an active boot, though.
His patented move was to brush the horse's hock with his toe on the way by. Not kicking the horse. I always thought it was way more humane than hitting one with a whip, but he did it many times after judges told him to quit it. Hence all the fines. Great talent... own worst enemy.
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HRU reports that Case has been granted a hearing before the Massachusetts Racing Commission on Thursday. His lawyer expects other states to fall in line if Case is licensed to drive in Mass. Six months back Jeff Gural promised Case that he could race at The Meadowlands if he got his license back.
Case's lawyer stated that if Walter had been driving all these years it could well be Case rather than Dave Palone chasing Herve's record.
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Pretty sure Case would have broken the record long ago had he not screwed up so badly. As it is, Saline will likely set a record that will never be broken.
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Massachusetts harness driver
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The USTA has nothing to do with it. The bottom line is if he can get licensed in a state. With a state license he'd be eligible to drive at any track in that state (with managements approval). The USTA license is meaningless. If the USTA refuses to reinstate him, the will give him a NON membership (they always take the money). This is basically a fee to have the USTA set him up in the computer...
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The USTA has nothing to do with it. The bottom line is if he can get licensed in a state. With a state license he'd be eligible to drive at any track in that state (with managements approval). The USTA license is meaningless. If the USTA refuses to reinstate him, the will give him a NON membership (they always take the money). This is basically a fee to have the USTA set him up in the computer...
He has a hearing before the MASSACHUSETTS STATE RACING COMMISSION on Thursday. Who said the USTA has anything to do with it? Are you making up questions then answering them?
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He has a hearing before the MASSACHUSETTS STATE RACING COMMISSION on Thursday. Who said the USTA has anything to do with it? Are you making up questions then answering them?
Kate was referring to JJ's post below:
unfortunately rejected by USTA
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Kate was referring to JJ's post below:
Sorry. I glanced back at the previous posts to see what she was referring to, but that post was made three weeks ago so I thought she was responding to mine.
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Hope Walter gets another chance. Best I've ever seen, & I'm 53. It's almost like; I don't want him to drive again. It might ruin my perception of his greatness. He's kinda like Tiger, though, in that he just may be setting himself up for some "embarrassment" that I really don't want to see.
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It looks like there will be a single commissioner hearing Case
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I hope he gets a chance. I would definitely use him.
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I hope he gets a chance. I would definitely use him.
Many are saying same thing. I would look into betting at the ridge as well if he was steering.
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Many are saying same thing. I would look into betting at the ridge as well if he was steering.
I have to disagree with you on this one. His list of violations on the track is endless , and while I am all for 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances, his actions off the court were always the icing on the cake as far as Im concerned. No second chances there .My guess is that Mass will give him the green light. Why not ?--they already have. But thats as far as its going to go. No other state has interest and thats why he's applying there to drive with that with that highly talented driving colony. It falls into the "who cares" category. And its really tiresome---9 years off the field. Gambling and felons really dont mix too well
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The Case decision will be announced at the next meeting of the Massachusetts Gaming Commission, on Monday, July 2 at 1 pm.
http://www.mass.gov/gaming/
Commissioner Gayle Cameron, a former deputy superintendant with the NJ state police, conducted last week's hearing. At one point Case's lawyer, Jeffrey Pocaro, produced a signed contract between Walter and Jeff Gural. Ms Cameron's familiarity with NJ politics amd The Meadowlands may be a plus for Case.
At another point Pocaro read a letter from Herve, urging the commission to license Case.
Cameron will make a recommendation to the other four members of the board and they will probably go along with her decision.
She didn't tip her hand at the hearing but she does have a reputation for being fair. I think he'll get a provisional license.
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As I have said before, he's one of the best to ever hold a set of lines. But, if he has another meltdown it will big an enormous black eye on the entire industry. (which is already on life-support)
Glad I don't have to make the call.
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He will get the chance again,if some of you remember the Ben Webster, Bob Shuttleworth life bans, they applied in Deleware back in the 60s , 70s and where given a chance, and we see they finally got back into other jurisdictions
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I think Walter will ne licensed and still be far better than many drivers half his age. I always thought he was an asshole as a person (most likely from his addictions), but the best of the best on the track. He will be fine and I doubt he will do anything wrong again.
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I think Walter will ne licensed and still be far better than many drivers half his age. I always thought he was an asshole as a person (most likely from his addictions), but the best of the best on the track. He will be fine and I doubt he will do anything wrong again.
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Well, you're just a webmaster who's probably never seen a harness race!
(Why can't I stir some sh*t too?) rflmao1 rflmao1
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Well, you're just a webmaster who's probably never seen a harness race!
(Why can't I stir some sh*t too?) rflmao1 rflmao1
I've seen a few of them and even been bit ny a rat or two...but thanks for calling me a webmaster. Web idiot is more like it.
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Walter, BY FAR! Best driver ever! CASE closed! Never seen a man make me alter my bet more.
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Walter, BY FAR! Best driver ever! CASE closed! Never seen a man make me alter my bet more.
Never saw Lew Williams, then?
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Walter, BY FAR! Best driver ever! CASE closed! Never seen a man make me alter my bet more.
Or Mario BAILLARGEON and Kevin Wakllis in their prime, and so many more. . .
Prominent T-Bred jocks were even worse, in regard to their presence and mounts.
Drivers in harness racing are no longer the prominent factor they once were.
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Walter, BY FAR! Best driver ever! CASE closed! Never seen a man make me alter my bet more.
You either haven't seen much or don't have a memory. Case dominates Zeke Parker at YR, dominates Aaron Merriman at Nfld. But the one time he went head to head with Luc Ouellette for the year, Luc beats Case for the crown at YR.
There was Lachance, Carmine, Herve... just at YR/RR. Then Campbell, O'donnel, Sears... just at M1. Walter, he fits somewhere around number 10, IMO.
And just the nastiest demeanor I've ever had the non-pleasure of meeting. Yuck!!!!!!!!
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You either haven't seen much or don't have a memory. Case dominates Zeke Parker at YR, dominates Aaron Merriman at Nfld. But the one time he went head to head with Luc Ouellette for the year, Luc beats Case for the crown at YR.
There was Lachance, Carmine, Herve... just at YR/RR. Then Campbell, O'donnel, Sears... just at M1. Walter, he fits somewhere around number 10, IMO.
And just the nastiest demeanor I've ever had the non-pleasure of meeting. Yuck!!!!!!!!
All one needs to do is dig up some M1 stats from the early to mid-1980s and you'll get a picture of where he fits in.
Personally, I think Dolfan is being generous with "the number 10".
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All one needs to do is dig up some M1 stats from the early to mid-1980s and you'll get a picture of where he fits in.
Personally, I think Dolfan is being generous with "the number 10".
I put him "somewhere around 10" not considering his mile track driving. It's just very different for allot of guys. You may recall how inconsistent & just plain bad Campbell was at Yr/RR in the 80's. I don't think Carmine was anything on the mile track.
I have a friend who also agrees that Case was the best ever but he admits he hadn't started watching harness until the 90's. Still, he has no explanation for Luc beating Case over a full year.
What many folks don't get is that YR always has a dominating driver - from Carmine to Lachance to Luc, Case, Dube, Bouchard, Bartlett & now Brennan.
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And just the nastiest demeanor I've ever had the non-pleasure of meeting. Yuck!!!!!!!!
You must have caught him on "one of those days".
Which was Walter's problem.
I loved Walter.
When he was sane.
He could have been just as great as ambassador as John Campbell.......his personality at times was AMAZING.
My heart broke for him many times......and many times he broke my heart.
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When it comes to sheer talent Dave Palone is rarely mentioned as people rattle off the best drivers ever in this sport, and that isn
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Damn shame he was a victim of his demons, but it was a self-inflicted wound.