Coleman Horses Barred From Meadowlands

[Elgin]

Coleman Horses Not Allowed to Race at the
Meadowlands

By Bill Finley

Horses listed under the name
of trainer Andrew Harris are not
being allowed to enter at the
Meadowlands, Harness Racing
Update has learned. Harris is
fronting for trainer Casie
Coleman, who is serving a 45-
day suspension for a positive
test for the banned drug
Ephedrine. With Coleman
sidelined, her horses are racing
under Harris

[sallyjo]

Actually this is a good thing. 

[LVGaryD]

I totally agree with Mr. Gural on this issue. As I've said for years, suspend the horse along with the trainer. However, in this case, I think Casie is getting the shaft. One cannot control what their employees or others give the horses.

[Wilderness]

I totally agree with Mr. Gural on this issue. As I've said for years, suspend the horse along with the trainer.

agreed.

However, in this case, I think Casie is getting the shaft. One cannot control what their employees or others give the horses.

WEG tried every known posture to entrap Casie and found nothing, and over a very long period of time.
 One infraction of weight and Casie is penalized in multiple jurisdictions seems unfair.

[Headpole Dave]

She's had two positives lately hasn't she?

Also was nailed at the Red Mile years back on Banamine.

She has been using "something" for years Wilderness and that's coming from people who have worked for her and knowing the woman personally. She used the same path that Pena did, years ahead of him... Only she got out of claimers and more into young horses. She hasn't trained or sat behind one of her current horses in months.

[LVGaryD]

She's had two positives lately hasn't she?

Also was nailed at the Red Mile years back on Banamine.

She has been using "something" for years Wilderness and that's coming from people who have worked for her and knowing the woman personally. She used the same path that Pena did, years ahead of him... Only she got out of claimers and more into young horses. She hasn't trained or sat behind one of her current horses in months.

But these positives were ephedrine. No one would use ephedrine on a horse that is in to race-that's just plain stupid....sort of like using morphine. Gene Riegle got a positive for morphine many years ago and every one of us knew he would never give that stuff to a horse. I believe his suspension ended up being 30 days in the winter when he never raced any way. Of course this was back when people were not loading horses with everything but the kitchen sink too.

Banamine is something nearly everyone gave horses 20-24 hours out from the race thirty years ago. All it is is a mild muscle relaxant and analgesic that actually should be legal to give on race day. To me banamine is the equivalent of ibuprofen/tylenol mixture I take for my daily aches and pains. There is zero narcotic effect in banamine.

While I applaud Gural banning her from racing while under suspension, these two kinds of positives are not the kind that warrant such a suspension in my opinion.

[Headpole Dave]

Fair enough. What about when she was doing the Pena and claiming 12 k horses and dropping life marks on 7-8 year olds? Soul Chaser and Red Pop are just two that come to mind. Every horse was hung up the same way and pacing out of it's skin... She was Pena before there was Pena. She was smart enough to tone it down and focus more on babies though after she was established. Look at her old man.. Phil had 2 good horses his entire career in Western Canada, and was a .170 trainer for a lifetime. Goes to Ontario and magically he's .310? I know these people, you're not convincing me they aren't using.

[LVGaryD]

Fair enough. What about when she was doing the Pena and claiming 12 k horses and dropping life marks on 7-8 year olds? Soul Chaser and Red Pop are just two that come to mind. Every horse was hung up the same way and pacing out of it's skin... She was Pena before there was Pena. She was smart enough to tone it down and focus more on babies though after she was established. Look at her old man.. Phil had 2 good horses his entire career in Western Canada, and was a .170 trainer for a lifetime. Goes to Ontario and magically he's .310? I know these people, you're not convincing me they aren't using.

I don't know if or what they might be using. And if thet get caught, in my opinion they deserve the horse racing death penalty-lifetime banning. But it needs to be reserved for something that is obviously of a more serious nature than banamine.

[AmyHollar]

I don't know if or what they might be using. And if thet get caught, in my opinion they deserve the horse racing death penalty-lifetime banning. But it needs to be reserved for something that is obviously of a more serious nature than banamine.

[AmyHollar]

 

[beans and weenies]

    me too

[Elgin]

Coleman

[The Giss]

 I have a bit of a problem on banning these horses. Those that are (or were recently) owned in whole or part by Coleman should be barred. If she sold them after the suspension was announced, for instance. Horses that are and were wholly owned by others should be allowed to race, either under Harris (who needs to learn the claiming rules) or others.

[Bungalow Bill]

  For me, it's simple.  Ban the horse for as long as the trainer.  This eliminates beards, ect.....case closed.

[Just Saying]

This has always big quandery for me. I hate racing against chemists and wouldn't mind if they lifetime bans. But there so many variables, like:
a. A trainer gets sabotaged by somebody else. It's the easiest thing in the world... walk thru the barn and drop a little treated grain in the horse's feed tub. Bingo, a positive.

b. Today's testing procedures can detect nano-grams of chemicals that could not possibly affect a horses performance, that might have been administered weeks before the race.

c. Big operations that may have up to 200 head. The trainer cannot possibly watch every single person that works for him/her 24/7/365. And people DO make mistakes without being dishonest. Especially now, with the language barrier.

A very good trainer friend told one of the amigos to take "horse X" to the paddock for the 4hr security time. When the identifier checked the tattoo before the race it was the wrong horse and too late for the proper one to be allowed to race. Horse scratched, and a big fine,(justifiable penalty) but the trainer would have never tried to stick a cheap claimer in this nice stake race. His correct horse had a pretty good shot.

It gets really complicated, and it would be SO much easier if there was an industry-wide standard of rules. I haul one 32 miles and I'm in a different state with different rules.