Tim Tebow

[Dolfan]

BUT East Cleveland and North Akron are FULL of LaSeantays and Lamars who DO NOT have these types of family units and their influences DO come from sports heros and entertainers.

Their heroes are not Tebow-types anyway.  More like Iced T or Ice Cube (see Oreilly, I haven't a clue).

Talk to ANY teacher in these areas..........or I can put you in touch with my niece who teaches near Tampa...........it's deplorable how MANY children are being raised............children who grow up.....go out into society and do DEPLORABLE things.

At the same time, we have many inner city kids in our Debate program who have crept & are creeping out of their poor upbringings, getting scholarships to get into college & succeeding.  I see it 1st hand thanks to left-wing teachers who are committed to the students & the students who believe in themselves.  It is a beautiful thing to watch & be a part of!  They overcome huge odds with one belief - themselves.

And you don't have to praise any religious anything to make it happen.

[AmyHollar]

Their heroes are not Tebow-types anyway.  More like Iced T or Ice Cube (see Oreilly, I haven't a clue).


At the same time, we have many inner city kids in our Debate program who have crept & are creeping out of their poor upbringings, getting scholarships to get into college & succeeding.  I see it 1st hand thanks to left-wing teachers who are committed to the students & the students who believe in themselves.  It is a beautiful thing to watch & be a part of!  They overcome huge odds with one belief - themselves.

And you don't have to praise any religious anything to make it happen.

I know we should go to another thread with this.........I'm glad you know about some of the inner city programs currently in place and making a difference.  it's why I have a hard time disparaging salaries of teachers.......and good teacher is worth his/her weight in gold.  Quality education is invaluable. By the same token the outreach programs sponsored by churches are also making inroads.  But what a difficult fight they all face when children are assaulted daily by immoral media outlets and sports figures make millions. 

[Jeremy]

I think this thread got out of hand after Denver beat the Steelers.  Several people wanted to be right about him that when Pittsburgh lost they got more pissed off.

I think the problem is that EPSN has talked about him so much and with him his religion that it is hard to separate the two.  Any other quarterback and no one would be talking about him other than like they did Derek Anderson with Arizona last year.

You have people that want him to succeed because of the person that he is.

You have others that say he won't succeed because he isn't a good quarterback.  I am sure some people don't want him to do well because of his religious views either.

[Just Saying]

I guess the only answer is to pull a Pontious Pilate, and wash our hands of this matter.

Hoo-Rah! Let's all run up the hill for the Crucifixion! Tim Tebow is just a nice kid who won a few football games.(something none of his critics will ever do)

I AM, however, suprised to see the hateful side of some of the ITS posters over this trivial matter.

Oh, and Dolfan... if you go back and read my previous post: I said that I would just as proud of a fine, upstanding Jew. So don't try to paint me in that corner. I have enough real faults; I don't need any fake ones.

[Dolfan]

Oh, and Dolfan... if you go back and read my previous post: I said that I would just as proud of a fine, upstanding Jew. So don't try to paint me in that corner. I have enough real faults; I don't need any fake ones.

I don't remember him telling anyone what religion they should be, just stating his own faith. I'm pretty sure he's not advocating for a crusade, with murder & torture. I'd feel the same if he was a fine upstanding Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Morman, etc.

I really didn't mean to "paint anyone into a corner".  Most of you who have had discussions with me know that I am the first person to march for freedom of speech, which also encompasses freedom of religion.

I'm "just saying" there have been millions of people murdered because of their religious beliefs or backgrounds; and that's just over the last 70 years!  It is still most certainly going on.

While I appreciate your stance, if he was, in fact a Muslim & was encouraging anyone to convert he'd be toasted & roasted so horrendously, the death threats would raise security levels to new heights.  Of that I am certain.

So my bottom line remains, he is an athlete, not a preacher.  I don't want to hear his preaching & he should be on CBN, not ESPN.

it's why I have a hard time disparaging salaries of teachers.......and good teacher is worth his/her weight in gold.  Quality education is invaluable.

Florida is dead last in spending on education.  That means we are behind Arkansas!

The last 2 weekends, our kids debated at 2 expensive, high end schools that were freakin' gorgeous (one of the schools was attended by the Marino children & the other by Cris Carter's kid(s).  Our lowly public school was the easy team winner at both events, with my daughter winning both times.  So you know how proud I am.  Our team is also ranked #8 in the nation in Debate & Speech.  We get no funding - zero.  We fund-raise all year-round.  I am the program's largest donor, not only in money but time too, which is unfortunate.

[AmyHollar]

Florida is dead last in spending on education.  That means we are behind Arkansas!

The last 2 weekends, our kids debated at 2 expensive, high end schools that were freakin' gorgeous (one of the schools was attended by the Marino children & the other by Cris Carter's kid(s).  Our lowly public school was the easy team winner at both events, with my daughter winning both times.  So you know how proud I am.  Our team is also ranked #8 in the nation in Debate & Speech.  We get no funding - zero.  We fund-raise all year-round.  I am the program's largest donor, not only in money but time too, which is unfortunate.

 

Did you happen to see the 60 Minutes piece on homeless children in Florida?  It ran a couple months ago.  Heartbreaking.

Like I mentioned.....our niece teaches near Tampa (Sarasota Springs actually) she grew up in Michigan and is just beside herself with the problems she sees and is trying to fix......with very little money......we are doomed with out quality education.

[Dolfan]

we are doomed with out quality education.

Obviously I agree with that but it doesn't necessarily just mean money.  That's why I went on that rant about a Debate team with zero funding. 

You can self-fund by fund raising but the bottom line is if the student & teacher both have a desire to succeed, it can happen in unexpected ways, such as big black bubbas (yes, one of our kids is affectionately known as Bubba) switching from Football to Debate!

Will you affect everyone?  Of course not but even with huge money you will only affect the ones with the desire.

If your niece wants to make a difference, she has to find her niche that she believes in & can commit to completely & then stick with it, knowing she will only capture a small percentage but that small percentage will never ever forget what she did for them & she will forever be a hero to them.

[Just Saying]

Dolfan, I'm proud of you for what your doing with the kids. I do a bit of that myself.
You might be surprised to know that I'm huge fan of Israel, and their perilous plight in the middle east. If Tebow were Jewish I would still be proud of his honorable way of doing things. "Big Ben" is one hell of a good NFL QB, but I ain't very proud of him.

[AmyHollar]

Dolfan, I'm proud of you for what your doing with the kids. I do a bit of that myself.
You might be surprised to know that I'm huge fan of Israel, and their perilous plight in the middle east. If Tebow were Jewish I would still be proud of his honorable way of doing things. "Big Ben" is one hell of a good NFL QB, but I ain't very proud of him.

[AmyHollar]

If your niece wants to make a difference, she has to find her niche that she believes in & can commit to completely & then stick with it, knowing she will only capture a small percentage but that small percentage will never ever forget what she did for them & she will forever be a hero to them.

She is....but very discouraged at the bureaucracy roadblocks.

[Dolfan]

Dolfan, I'm proud of you for what your doing with the kids. I do a bit of that myself.
You might be surprised to know that I'm huge fan of Israel, and their perilous plight in the middle east. If Tebow were Jewish I would still be proud of his honorable way of doing things. "Big Ben" is one hell of a good NFL QB, but I ain't very proud of him.

No surprise to me as most Americans are pulling for Israel.  It is hard to believe though, that just 64 years after the creation of the state & all of lives that were lost because jews had no home land, that any US President would create so much friction.  I despise him for that alone.

I don't care what Big Ben is, as long as he doesn't break any laws.  No different than Tiger, I enjoy watching them compete as great athletes striving for the common goal to win.

As far as the kids go, this is my daughter's senior year & I will miss chaperoning & judging for Debate but not as much as I will miss just being around a bunch of great kids who give me hope for the country's future.

[Lockjaw]

May I suggest that how celebrities become either positive or negative role models for our kids is misunderstood by many adults.  My experience as an 8th grade teacher has taught me that adolescents, as individuals, don't get up in the morning one day and decide which rock star or athlete to emulate.  Their peer group does that for them.  It's all about who or what their friends think is cool.  If a kid's family is dysfunctional, it's likely that the street will provide him with a "family" and a strict code of conduct.   The fact that there are "bad" role models out there is not really the problem.   More dangerous are the circumstances that force kid to make choices that a healthy family life would have helped them avoid. 

[newandimproved]

No surprise to me as most Americans are pulling for Israel.  It is hard to believe though, that just 64 years after the creation of the state & all of lives that were lost because jews had no home land, that any US President would create so much friction.  I despise him for that alone.

I don't care what Big Ben is, as long as he doesn't break any laws.  No different than Tiger, I enjoy watching them compete as great athletes striving for the common goal to win.

As far as the kids go, this is my daughter's senior year & I will miss chaperoning & judging for Debate but not as much as I will miss just being around a bunch of great kids who give me hope for the country's future.

So you are saying your physical support of this program will cease when your daughter graduates ?  Will your fundraising and donations also dry up ?

[Dolfan]

So you are saying your physical support of this program will cease when your daughter graduates ?  Will your fundraising and donations also dry up ?

Just as the kids move on so do the parents.  Others must step up to the plate, same as I did 4 years ago.  Other kids' parents will also get an opportunity to chaperone & judge, although it is unlikely that most of them will see it as an opportunity rather than a chore.  That is extremely unfortunate.

As far as my donations, they will decline as I am about to just start paying for my daughter's college education.  But I would never abandon the program and would never turn down their request for help.

Now I must ask, what is your involvement in schools or social programs?

[Hugh Jass]

I can't wait until next year when all the Tebow haters get humbled