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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 10:22:25 PM »
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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 06:20:28 AM »
Very hard to turn those popcorn munchers into hard core fans.  First, there are not enough of them. Giving them a few bucks to bet won't do much, if anything. Handicapping harness or t-breds isn't they easiest thing to do.  Few will have the inclination to learn.  And as we know, it can be a long hard road.  Might as well go play the slots.  The take out is less and you don't have to battle the cartels and long time pros.

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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 08:08:37 AM »
IMO, I think the industry needs to do more to educate the popcorn munchers on how to handicap.  This should go beyond just telling newbies what horses someone likes.  Instead, we need to teach people how to cap on their own.  If they pick their own winners with at least some level of confidence (even if it's false confidence), then they get a sense of competitive fulfillment that keeps them coming back for more.

I've taught a few friends over the past 3 years how to cap using very simplistic methods and they absolutely love it!  All they needed to do was cash a well priced winner or two and they're hooked.  The key is to not overcomplicate the capping.  They don't need to be overwhelmed with every little angle, they just need a reliable basic method to build from.

I've talked to a lot of t-bred players at the local OTB (the so-called "regulars") and they're message for me is "I don't know how you can bet this harness racing".  I respond to them by saying, "I don't know how you can bet these t-breds".  Simply put, I have a lot more data with harness racing (horses race practically every week) and they all run a mile.  I have no clue on what shape a t-bred is in when he hasn't run in 3-4 weeks.  The t-bred "regulars" know and respect me as a harness guy and they'll ask me for my opinion from time to time.  I've called some nice longshots out to them (15-1, 20-1, 26-1, and ice cold exactas at 50-1)...and they look at me like I'm a freak the times that they do come in. The problem, however, is that they have too much pride to ask me how I did it, how I came up with those picks.

I've been in discussions with the OTB management about having guest handicappers that would focus on one track per night and speak about who they like (and why) with 5 MTP.  This would do well to educate the cross breed players as well as give insight to newbies.

The other part of the education process needs to be how to bet a race once you know who you like.  Newbies that are betting $2 to show will never get hooked.  They need to be able to hit something that can pay enough to cover their drinks if they are going to brag about it to their friends.  That's the stuff that gets them hooked.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you learned to cap on your own?  And how many actually got good instruction from an experienced capper?

I was fortunate to have a good t-bred capping friend that taught me how to read between the lines.  However, he was horrible at capping harness.  This allowed me to develop my own strategies on capping harness...and fortunately, after much losing, I figured it out.  LOL!

The one thing that I really like about ITS is that it brings together a community of harness players that really know how to cap!  I've truly benefited from learning from forum members with vastly different styles.  IMO, I think Pezz and Tonyb are excellent value players; not the type that bet everything, but they swing when they see a good pitch to hit.  Rocknroll is a hardcore capper with solid logic and angles.  Brush and Crush has taught me the most in that he has a different capping and wagering style than my own that has proven successful.  Chicagojazz is a traditionalist that keeps me honest when I stray too far from the obvious; keeps me real.  Burton and Gazoo also offer solid insight to good races.  Mags and Hal are pretty good too, but I rarely play the tracks that they excel in.  For a hardcore numbers guy like me (who loves probability theory), it's extremely helpful to hear from these guys to help round out my logic.  I've lost count of how many times I've overlooked a key contender but eventually included him because of insight/posts from people I trust.

Education is the key to landing new players...and to improve us experienced players.

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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 03:24:22 PM »
I read a book many years ago that was written by Tom Ainslie about harness handicapping, but most of my knowledge is from training horses and watching them race week after week. I have learned over the years that class is where it's at in most cases. Also having driving god Miller driving the horse helps a lot.

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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 05:34:32 PM »
Giss:

Good point about JK's Shesalady's strength of schedule. My exact thoughts about how tough her competition was compared to the 3YO Colt division or the aged pacers.

Don't care much for the Burke operation but Sweet Lou did plenty this season and would get my vote for Horse of the Year.


CC:

Great ramblings and thanks for sharing. Don't remember reading any of your posts being as long as this one but loved every word of it.

Started going to the track in my teens and one of my first jobs was working front side at the local T-bred track.

After years in management, as a public handicapper, and as a standardbred owner and breeder, I have specific things I look for and still fine tune my handicapping skills even though I'm no longer in the game. Probably the best thing I've learned over the years is to be more patient and pick my spots instead of rolling the dice as often.


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Re: My Year End Ramblings at DRF Harness
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 05:41:40 AM »
When I first walked into Washington Park in 1963 I didn't have a clue.  My friend's dad told me a few things about reading the program and that was it.  I won the first bet I ever made, $2 to win on Queens Consort driven by Billy Shuter.  I was lucky to get a job paying $1.90 an hour over the summer, so I had some betting money.  Sometimes I would show up at the track with $20 in my pocket.  When I graduated from college in 1967, I got my first real job and made a huge $5700 a year.  I remember thinking, someday I'll make $10,000 a year and have it made!. 6 months later I bought my first horse.
I like to read and have read at least 100 books on handicapping both harness and T-breds.  I still read new ones that come out hoping for some bit of info  that may help me.  Over the years I  have learned it's not how much info you have or how much you study that counts.  What matters is how you use what you know.  Back in the day I'd spend maybe 2-3 hours pouring over a harness card.  Today, maybe 15 minutes.  I have used number crunching and have several numbers systems I can apply, but I seldom use any of them.
I'm sorry to say that I just don't see a lot of newcomers around who are hungry to learn about handicapping.
Takes too much time and you can easily waste your money betting football or basketball without near as much effort.  You can go play the slots and have a smaller takeout than most bets at the track.

 

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