NY State Racing & Wagering Board suspends, fines 16 trainers

[Wilderness]

None of the trainers I know are against universal rules. I think individual jurisdictions are the ones who don't want to give that authority to anybody else. Each juris. wants to be God of their own universe.

 Just,
         It simply comes to down to the dollar-revenue for the individual jurisdiction.
 These jurisdictions will never give up those dollars up to comply with an across-the-board-policy of enforcement.

 The simple awareness that horsemen are required to become aware of across multiple jurisdictions, opens the door for awareness of loop-holes.

[Wilderness]

Does he get a pass here ?  Is he one of the ones that is being defended in this thread ?

 It's imperative that you don't misunderstand and misinterpret what is being presented here!

 Nobody condones the cheaters!

 Rather, what is being objected to is the witch-hunt and headlines for otherwise incidental infractions.

 If these were Class I, II or III rulings there were NOT be any dispute, however these are Class IV penalties that have been over-penalized and sensationalized as something more dramatic.

[AmyHollar]

It's imperative that you don't misunderstand and misinterpret what is being presented here!

 Nobody condones the cheaters!

 Rather, what is being objected to is the witch-hunt and headlines for otherwise incidental infractions.

 If these were Class I, II or III rulings there were NOT be any dispute, however these are Class IV penalties that have been over-penalized and sensationalized as something more dramatic.

 

NaI........I think Anderson's name was thrown out there as an example.

[LVGaryD]

I think old Gary D is gonna have to fire up the pipe and contemplate this medication situation..

[Just Saying]

I've always had a Mom & Pop, mostly private stable. Very small potatoes. But it boggles my mind how huge operations like Erv Miller or Burkes can keep that many balls juggling in the air in all those different jurisdictions, with a different set of rules everytime you crosss a state line. I've been around Erv's stable and he'll have 175-200 head training and racing, and they're scattered all over the globe. What a logistics nightmare. Somehow he makes it work, and work very well.

All it takes is one new, inexperienced barn hand to get the trainer a positive. Then multiply that by 200 head. I'll guarantee you that trainers of big stables would LOVE to have 1 rule book to follow.

That being said; if a trainer is juicing to cheat me out of purse money with 'the hot stuff', burn him to the ground. But Afrin ain't EPO. Let the punishment fit the crime.

[careless hal]

Most blogs I belong to have been far more harsh in their judgement than folks around here.
One comment that is common is that the offenders didn't say "I didn't do it"  they said "The penalty is too severe".  This is taken as an admission of guilt.   Maybe the penalties are severe, but you play with fire, you might get burnt.

[newandimproved]

Most blogs I belong to have been far more harsh in their judgement than folks around here.
One comment that is common is that the offenders didn't say "I didn't do it"  they said "The penalty is too severe".  This is taken as an admission of guilt.   Maybe the penalties are severe, but you play with fire, you might get burnt.

My follow up would be why is it always the same horsemen getting nailed...Don't See the Schnikters and Dohertys on any lists ?

[NIATROSS]

My follow up would be why is it always the same horsemen getting nailed...Don't See the Schnikters and Dohertys on any lists ?

DING DING DING DING

AND WE HAVE A WINNER  !


 

[mo doc n]

A universal set of rules would make a trainer's life SO much easier.

I have been saying this for a loooooooooooooooooooong time

I have also said they should change the breaking rule too , if your horse is breaking an 1/8 th out before they say go , there should be a recall. before I take the heat for that let me remind you these races never go off on time anyway, Maywood is a 7:10 post and if they are off before 7:20 their lucky. It is like that at most tracks and every race because of the late money coming in. 

[newandimproved]

My follow up would be why is it always the same horsemen getting nailed...Don't See the Schnikters and Dohertys on any lists ?

forgot to add Larry Remmen(sp) to that list...
Same suspects over and over again...
Insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
If Afrin is not beneficial, then why were the numbers( based on my calculations) 21 winners out of the batch of gentlemen suspended for varying degrees of time ??

[Wilderness]

If Afrin is not beneficial, then why were the numbers( based on my calculations) 21 winners out of the batch of gentlemen suspended for varying degrees of time ??

The infractions were not for Afrin, however many have assumed that, based upon the Oxymetazoline being a by-product of Afrin-use (i. e., contamination.)

Schenectady, NY --- The New York State Racing and Wagering Board has issued fines and suspensions to 16 individuals who were found to be responsible for Oxymetazoline violations at Yonkers Raceway, Monticello Raceway and Saratoga Casino and Raceway.
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Across-the-counter Afrin manufactured within the US, does not contain Oxymethazoline.

Perhaps if somebody was dense enough to purchase Afrin from a dollar store (of which many frequently distribute medicinals that were not manufactured within the US (i. e., non-FDA approved)), could they possibly obtain a bottle that contained Oxymethazoline.

Within the US, Oxymethazoline requires a prescription (unless of course it was purchased illegally).

 That Oxymethazoline requires a prescription within the US is the reason that these offenses were Class IV rulings (not lesser rulings).
If they were legitimately vet-prescribed, than all these horsemen had to do at the hearing is present their vet records, and less-severe penalty would likely have been imposed.
Many jurisdictions now require very accurate vet-records.

 Despite the boundary-crossing of the Oxymethazoline-issue, these rulings were still Class IV, and otherwise minor-infractions. Hardly enough to hang people by the thumbs.

[Wilderness]

My follow up would be why is it always the same horsemen getting nailed...Don't See the Schnikters and Dohertys on any lists ?

 Some horsemen (like much of the general public) are simply cheap-SOB's (there are many other words to describe bargain hunters).

 Purchasing these medicinals and cheaper alternatives with the possibility of an infraction affecting your  livelihood is pure foolishness.

 Unfortunately, home-remedies and cheap alternatives (DMSO is prime example) have been a part of harness racing for more than a century.
 Bacon grease, olive oil, and on and on. . . .

[newandimproved]

The infractions were not for Afrin, however many have assumed that, based upon the Oxymetazoline being a by-product of Afrin-use (i. e., contamination.)

Schenectady, NY --- The New York State Racing and Wagering Board has issued fines and suspensions to 16 individuals who were found to be responsible for Oxymetazoline violations at Yonkers Raceway, Monticello Raceway and Saratoga Casino and Raceway.
end of quote

Across-the-counter Afrin manufactured within the US, does not contain Oxymethazoline.

Perhaps if somebody was dense enough to purchase Afrin from a dollar store (of which many frequently distribute medicinals that were not manufactured within the US (i. e., non-FDA approved)), could they possibly obtain a bottle that contained Oxymethazoline.

Within the US, Oxymethazoline requires a prescription (unless of course it was purchased illegally).

 That Oxymethazoline requires a prescription within the US is the reason that these offenses were Class IV rulings (not lesser rulings).
If they were legitimately vet-prescribed, than all these horsemen had to do at the hearing is present their vet records, and less-severe penalty would likely have been imposed.
Many jurisdictions now require very accurate vet-records.

 Despite the boundary-crossing of the Oxymethazoline-issue, these rulings were still Class IV, and otherwise minor-infractions. Hardly enough to hang people by the thumbs.

[newandimproved]

don't have it in front of me, the Afrin that is, but last I checked,,,it is in fact an active ingredient in afrin. 

[Wilderness]

My follow up would be why is it always the same horsemen getting nailed...Don't See the Schnikters and Dohertys on any lists ?

 Don't recall the exact old-saying that I'm grasping my memory for (perhaps somebody may recall it?)

 To paraphrase:

 "If your pay wage is shit, than don't expect your employees to provide anything except shit for output."

 Perhaps those bigger stables pay a fairer wage (and other fringes), while these frequently-infractioned-trainers are cutting corners by paying less?