Wow, did the Steelers look sloppy

[Jeremy]

Gotta love when Pittsburgh wins that people think Tomlin is the greatest thing since sliced bread
Lets not forget that Pittsburgh pushed the Ravens around with Leftwich and should have won that game also .

Baltimore is so overrated !!!  they should be on a 3 game losing streak .

Well he does has as many super bowl appearances and victories as Cowher.  You referenced before it was with Cowher's players well Cowher had Cowher players also.

With that said he wouldn't lead an average team to the superbowl with his coaching ability.

[Dolfan]

You guys are nuts! 

Have you seen what bad coaches do with average players & good QBs?  Look at Dallas, San Diego & New Orleans.  Saints can't get passed one season without Sean Payton as Brees gets reduced to "okay" from "elite" without his coach.  Romo & Rivers could be thriving with good coaching. 

Tomlin has nothing but mediocre players & a good QB.  Ravens are same & Harbaugh helps to keep them going.

My guess is if Steelers had Marvin Lewis or Pete Carroll as coach they'd be 4-8.

[pezz97]

You guys are nuts! 

Have you seen what bad coaches do with average players & good QBs?  Look at Dallas, San Diego & New Orleans.  Saints can't get passed one season without Sean Payton as Brees gets reduced to "okay" from "elite" without his coach.  Romo & Rivers could be thriving with good coaching. 

Tomlin has nothing but mediocre players & a good QB.  Ravens are same & Harbaugh helps to keep them going.

My guess is if Steelers had Marvin Lewis or Pete Carroll as coach they'd be 4-8.

WhAT?? They have the number 1 defense in the nfl.And there best defensive players just played his 3rd game last night.  They have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball as well. To call the steelers squad mediocre is comical.

[Gazoo]

Tomlin has nothing but mediocre players & a good QB.  Ravens are same & Harbaugh helps to keep them going.

My guess is if Steelers had Marvin Lewis or Pete Carroll as coach they'd be 4-8.

Have you seen the job Pete Carroll has done with the Seahawks ?

Tomlin has mediocre players ? when/if the Steelers ever get healthy as a whole i would put them up against anybody in the AFC.

He has a top 5 QB , a very underrated TE in Heath Miller , probably the best WR core as a group in the NFL  , One of the top 2 centers in the league with Pouncey
(If not the best)

The number # 1 ranked defense in the NFL  who's been without arguably the best defensive player in the league.

Good coaches don't let their teams have letdowns and lose to teams like Oakland ,Tennessee and Cleveland.

[Gazoo]

Saints can't get passed one season without Sean Payton as Brees gets reduced to "okay" from "elite" without his coach.  Romo & Rivers could be thriving with good coaching. 

Drew Brees isn't the reason the Saints are losing and the last time i looked he was still on pace to throw for 4k yards and 40 TD

What makes you think Romo and Rivers would thrive somewhere else ? I think Romo is avg at best and i think Rivers is just a headcase. (Both players thrived off throwing to their Pro Bowl Tight Ends )

[GalloBlueChip]

Wow, what a great name....The Great Gazoo.......brings back many memories...

[pezz97]

Wow, what a great name....The Great Gazoo.......brings back many memories...

One of my favorite cartoon characters 

[Dolfan]

Have you seen the job Pete Carroll has done with the Seahawks ?

Tomlin has mediocre players ? when/if the Steelers ever get healthy as a whole i would put them up against anybody in the AFC.

He has a top 5 QB , a very underrated TE in Heath Miller , probably the best WR core as a group in the NFL  , One of the top 2 centers in the league with Pouncey
(If not the best)

The number # 1 ranked defense in the NFL  who's been without arguably the best defensive player in the league.

Good coaches don't let their teams have letdowns and lose to teams like Oakland ,Tennessee and Cleveland.

WhAT?? They have the number 1 defense in the nfl.And there best defensive players just played his 3rd game last night.  They have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball as well. To call the steelers squad mediocre is comical.

Yes, then I am comical.  Their scheme (under coaching maven Lebeau) is what makes this defense tick & always did.

A top 5 QB? Nope.  Top 5 (in no certain order) are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Eli & Brees, who yes, has been very erratic this season.  Next 5 include Ben, Romo, Rivers, Stafford and now Luck, probably the best of them all.  That my opinion & just an opinion.

Great WR's?  Mike Wallace?  Puh-leeeeeeeze!

And if you don't think that other "good coaches don't let their teams have letdowns and lose to teams like Oakland ,Tennessee and Cleveland", alert!!!!!!  San Francisco loses to St. Louis & Minnesota, NE loses to Arizona...  It happens all the time, every year.

IMO, the Steelers are the model of a mediocre team - a good QB, below average RBs, average WR's, average defense with superior schematics & coaching.  And they've been hampered by injuries all season.

Drew Brees isn't the reason the Saints are losing and the last time i looked he was still on pace to throw for 4k yards and 40 TD

What makes you think Romo and Rivers would thrive somewhere else ? I think Romo is avg at best and i think Rivers is just a headcase. (Both players thrived off throwing to their Pro Bowl Tight Ends )

Brees has the best tight end in Jimmy Graham but Brees has had several games with many poor decisions, bad throws & interceptions.  Way more than ever since joining the Saints.

We'll only know if I'm right about Romo if he ever plays for a real coach.  As for Rivers, his mechanics are & always have been atrocious & Norv the great offensive genius just let him be.  Rivers is probably beyond repair.

[pezz97]

Here are drew Brees Stats since going to NO


 27    223    6.36    5.99    5.1    2    2    15
2006*+    27    NOR    QB    9    16    16    10-6-0    356    554    64.3    4418    26    4.7    11    2.0    86    8.0    8.0    12.4    276.1    96.2       18   105    7.54    7.58    3.1    1    2    15
2007    28    NOR    QB    9    16    16    7-9-0    440    652    67.5    4423    28    4.3    18    2.8    58    6.8    6.4    10.1    276.4    89.4       16    109    6.46    6.08    2.4    1    1    14
2008*    29    NOR    QB    9    16    16    8-8-0    413    635    65.0    5069    34    5.4    17    2.7    84    8.0    7.8    12.3    316.8    96.2    64.35    13    92    7.68    7.55    2.0    2    2    17
2009*    30    NOR    QB    9    15    15    13-2-0    363    514    70.6    4388    34    6.6    11    2.1    75    8.5    8.9    12.1    292.5    109.6    79.72    20    135    7.96    8.31    3.7    3    6    16
2010*    31    NOR    QB    9    16    16    11-5-0    448    658    68.1    4620    33    5.0    22    3.3    80    7.0    6.5    10.3    288.8    90.9    65.29    25    185    6.49    6.01    3.7    4    5    14
2011*    32    NOR    QB    9    16    16    13-3-0    468    657    71.2    5476    46    7.0    14    2.1    79    8.3    8.8    11.7    342.3    110.6    84.01    24    158    7.81    8.23    3.5    3    4    20
2012    33    NOR    QB    9    12    12    5-7-0    304    492    61.8    3674    31    6.3    16    3.3    80    7.5    7.3    12.1    306.2    92.1    64.28    22    154    6.85    



He has many seasons where he has thrown Double digit Picks, but in 2010, he threw 22 of them with Peyton on the sidelines. I highlighted them since this site doesn't make all the lines fit right, but those numbers in bold are his picks since he went to NO. He is a gunslinger just like Farve was.  I would say he made way more bad decisions that year than this. he has thrown 7 in the past 2 weeks. if not for that, he might of been on his way to the least amount of picks he has thrown in a season.I have had him on one of my fantasy teams every year since he went there and i can tell you he is no where near as bad as he was in the year he threw 22 picks. Not even close 


And i will agree to disagree, but there is no way the whole steelers defense and offense is just mediocre and its Tomlins great coaching that make them great. That is TOTAL BULLSHIT. As for the defense, Lebeau is called a genious cause of players like Harrison, and Troy. Cmon you think Rex is a genious cause he coached Ed reed and Ray lewis in their prime? It is the same thing. The scheme only works if you have the players to do it, and if they are mediocre, then it does not work. Buddy Ryan was called a genius, but if he didn't have Dent, Hampton, Singletery, Wilson,Marshall,Plank, it would of never worked. it just wasn't the same in Philly cause he didn't have all the parts he needed.

[Gazoo]

Yes, then I am comical.  Their scheme (under coaching maven Lebeau) is what makes this defense tick & always did.

A top 5 QB? Nope.  Top 5 (in no certain order) are Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Eli & Brees, who yes, has been very erratic this season.  Next 5 include Ben, Romo, Rivers, Stafford and now Luck, probably the best of them all.  That my opinion & just an opinion.

Great WR's?  Mike Wallace?  Puh-leeeeeeeze!

IMO, the Steelers are the model of a mediocre team - a good QB, below average RBs, average WR's, average defense with superior schematics & coaching.  And they've been hampered by injuries all season.

Not a chance im taking Eli over Ben and as for Wallace wait untill he plays a full season in New England with Brady throwing him the deep ball then come talk to me .
Brown & Wallace both made the Pro Bowl last year with Wallace being a starter at WR.

RB's below Avg. - I agree

superior schematics  ? if it was that easy every team would do it , you have to have the right players to do it.

And how about Tomlin having a hand in forcing out Bruce Arians as offensive coordinator ? How's he doing in Indy ?

[Dolfan]

Pezz, trying to figure out those stats is pretty rough.  The one thing that jumped out at me that you didn't hi-light was his completion %, which is down anywhere from 3%-11%, at 61%.  When I've watched him this year, I see a noticeable difference from previous seasons & allot of bad decisions.  Is it coincidence?  I doubt it.

As far as Tomlin making the Steelers "great", they are not great - they are 7-5.  With an inferior coach they'd be 4-8, maybe 5-7, IMO.  Once again, to remind you, there are only a handful of coaches who've won the Super Bowl.  The winner's list is Belichick, Coughlin, McCarthy, Shanahan & Tomlin.  Do you really believe it's ONLY players & not coaches?  THAT is "total bullshit".

I've watched the Chargers regress from 14-2 with Norv, the Eagles "Dream Team" go down the drain, Buffalo become the next "great team" & the Cowboys tread water - all with superior players, getting paid big money.  At the same time, the 49ers became a force without Singletary & teams like NE, Bal, Pit, NYG, Chi & GB all remain perennial playoff teams, no matter who they have to replace as long as it's not coach or QB.

Gazoo, Eli & Ben are different QBs & I've always favored pure passers.  Eli is a far superior pure passer - he makes throws Peyton can't make.  On the other hand Ben stays alive & jukes DBs like no one else can.  But his passing skills are average at best.  Their WRs are certainly below average this year.

I'll ask you both this:  How does a team who has had so many injuries & personnel problems get to 7-5 in this era of well-matched teams if not for superior coaching?

[Just Saying]

Watching the Bears game. Cutler looks pretty sharp today but the recievers have drop-itis. Not a Bears fan, but sure is impressive how good Forte & Marshall are. I they had an O line that could give enough time to let the play develope they would be scary good.

[Just Saying]

Now Cutler takes a shot to the head and is out of the game. He just got back after a concussion a couple of weeks ago.

[Gazoo]

Tomlin proved it once again today   

[Just Saying]

It was nice to see my Cowboys win, but a bit of a nail-biter.