Market Share Makes An End Run Around Futurity

[pezz97]

Someone else will top the 1,700,00.00?

if captaintreacherous wins out he willget it. Only one loss on the year
 

[Just Saying]

if captaintreacherous wins out he willget it. Only one loss on the year
 

Have to agree with you Pezzy. He's gone some fast miles for a 2yo, but hasn't been roughed up. You never know about a young'un with that kind of speed holding together, but he seems to be able to handle it so far. Hope he gets it.

[Elgin]

The Captain should get it only if CMO falters in the BC and he wins that race. The filly has twice as many starts. She won 11 of 13 thus far. She holds the world record on 5/8 and mile tracks. She won the Bluegrass, Elegantimage, Miller, Zweig and Hudson Filly. She

[echelon]

Now this is my own opinion if i owned the horse..what happens if you do race him and he goes 2 heats and it kinks him. he still has the breeders crown and the matron. imo the breeders crown is a bigger race the then the futurity. 2 heat racing is a dinosaur idea that needs to be phased out. i was reading something about wanting to take the money away from a horse if he doesnt race in the 2nd heat. thats not anyones call except the trainer and owner. would you rather as a better have a horse scratch or would u rather have the trainer tell the driver drag him back to last and dont ruff him up. myself i would rather have 8 horses that wanna win.

[The Gripper]

WTF does this have to do with this thread?

I am forwarding Gary your 50th profane insane email to me.
I really try to give people the benefit of the doubt but this is enough.

I really find it hard to believe that you are allowed to do this over and over again.
I come here to try to avoid this.

GSAC, love you Rick Yarter

[Jeremy]

GSAC, love you Rick Yarter

you have 42 posts of worthlessness.  Even I try to contribute something good once in awhile.

And I assume you got the nickname the gripper based on the handjobs you give in exchange for $2 show bets.

[jordanjacob]

I don't quite understand how people complain about how Rich races his horse as Market Share was a $16,000 yearling purchase whose fastest win time was 1.58.4 and never left Freehold last year. I guess you're saying he should have spent $30,000 and staked him to everything but if you stake every yearling to everything it's a formula for losing a lot of money.   

[Just Saying]

...if you stake every yearling to everything it's a formula for losing a lot of money.

amen

[Elgin]

I don't quite understand how people complain about how Rich races his horse as Market Share was a $16,000 yearling purchase whose fastest win time was 1.58.4 and never left Freehold last year. I guess you're saying he should have spent $30,000 and staked him to everything but if you stake every yearling to everything it's a formula for losing a lot of money.

Nobody is faulting him for not staking Market Share to everything: My point is that it would be nice to see the top three-year-old colt trotter, who happens to be the sport's overall money-champ, racing in the Kentucky Futurity. At one time there were no supplemental entries allowed for this race, but now one can buy in. Having Market Share and Maven, who wasn't staked to the filly futurity but could also buy her way in, racing in late closers at The Red Mile on the same weekend as the Futurities just doesn't play right. This is true more for MS than Maven, because he's the division leader while she is not.

Market Share, Maven and CMO might have been better off prepping for the BC someplace else. If that were the case it wouldn't be an issue.

Those who think the powers that be in Delaware and Lexington will be eliminating same-day heats because some trainers and owners don't like them will wait a long, long time for that to happen. Look at the way the Jug, Jugette and Confederation Cup brought those tracks to life.

This isn't a staking issue. $62,700 is a very small piece of Market Share's $1.7 million 2012 bankroll. I find it hard to believe the supplemental fee played any part in their decision. When Toscano announced this, she said something along the lines of, I'm probably not a very popular person right now. She knew this wouldn't sit well with a number of people.

[jordanjacob]

Nobody is faulting him for not staking Market Share to everything: My point is that it would be nice to see the top three-year-old colt trotter, who happens to be the sport's overall money-champ, racing in the Kentucky Futurity. At one time there were no supplemental entries allowed for this race, but now one can buy in. Having Market Share and Maven, who wasn't staked to the filly futurity but could also buy her way in, racing in late closers at The Red Mile on the same weekend as the Futurities just doesn't play right. This is true more for MS than Maven, because he's the division leader while she is not.

Market Share, Maven and CMO might have been better off prepping for the BC someplace else. If that were the case it wouldn't be an issue.

Those who think the powers that be in Delaware and Lexington will be eliminating same-day heats because some trainers and owners don't like them will wait a long, long time for that to happen. Look at the way the Jug, Jugette and Confederation Cup brought those tracks to life.

This isn't a staking issue. $62,700 is a very small piece of Market Share's $1.7 million 2012 bankroll. I find it hard to believe the supplemental fee played any part in their decision. When Toscano announced this, she said something along the lines of, I'm probably not a very popular person right now. She knew this wouldn't sit well with a number of people.

Elgin,

What gives you the right to say how Rich should spend his $62,700? The man just retired after working his entire life. Yes he has those 2 really nice horses, Market Share and Chapter Seven but I would wager you haven't heard of several of his 2 year olds this year although Southwind Cocoa performed very well.

He staked the horse well and didn't stake him to every event. Market Share has little to prove to anybody and Rich has done lots for the sport and brought back Chapter Seven this year while several other 3 year olds didn't come back.

If you truly believe Rich should race in races like this you are free to spend hundreds of hours researching bloodlines and watching videos and inspect the horses personally at farms and at the sales.

I'm proud to say that Rich is a great friend and really can't understand how one person on a message board can argue how someone he doesnt even know should risk their $62,700. The prices of trotters at the Lexington sale this week have been sky high and I have been outbid on every horse. I bid on a 6th foal where every prior foal sold for $35,000 - $40,000 and this one sold for $67,000. Credit Winners have sold for huge prices because there are so few of them. And where has Rich been all week  Elgin? In Lexington, at the sale where he already won one and got outbid on another higher end purchase.

This is not a sport that costs little. Racing 2 and 3 year olds on the east coast and in major stakes races may cost big money, shipping, farriers, training, stall rent, vet, staking, starting fees, equipment, etc, etc, etc and when it comes down to it some people are lucky to be profitable and try to purchase other horses. I believe Rich has raced in this race before and if he staked into it, would race in it. He has never been afraid to race his horses against anyone or at any track in any race. If you felt that strongly maybe you should have offered to pay the supplemental fee yourself a week ago. Knowing Rich he may have taken you up on it.

Staking is one of the toughest decisions in this sport. We don't really know how good our 2 year olds are in February. My best 2 year old I staked pretty good and she never raced this year. There are no refunds.

Harrisburg is coming up next month Elgin. Please find yourself some special horses and stake them heavily. It can cost over $150,000 to race a trotter through its 3 year old season staked to all. And if you stake every one of your 2 year olds to everything and have a few lean years you can easily go bankrupt, but feel free to say how someone who has done lots for the sport should run his business and race his horses.

[3 wide and wingin]

you have 42 posts of worthlessness.  Even I try to contribute something good once in awhile.

And I assume you got the nickname the gripper based on the handjobs you give in exchange for $2 show bets.

 

Ha thanks Jeremy.

He is a twisted one. I totaly ignore his posts for the most part and the numerous deranged emails. Those are where the real fun is.

[jordanjacob]

Market Share wins Late Closer at Red Mile
Saturday, October 06, 2012 - from the USTA Communications Department


Lexington, KY --- Hambletonian champion Market Share, who was not eligible to the Kentucky Futurity, captured a $10,000 Late Closer on Saturday (Oct. 6) at The Red Mile in a lifetime best 1:50.3.

Tim Tetrick drove the Linda Toscano trained son of Revenue S-Classical Flirt to his eighth win in 16 season's starts, improving his 2012 bankroll to $1,766,455. The colt is owned by Richard Gutnick, TLP Stable and William Augustine.

As Lightning Storm took the field by the three-quarters in 1:23.3, Market Share was out and rolling. He took over the lead at the top of the stretch and was never headed in the lifetime best mile. Prayer Session rallied to finish second and Lightning Storm finished third.

"It was just to get him tight two weeks from now for the Breeders Crown (on racing him in this spot)," said co-owner Richard Gutnick. "We thought this would keep him tight. I was surprised myself to see how wrapped up (he was) for him to do it in 1:50.3.

"I feel very good (going into the Breeders Crown). I told Tim you didn't want to break 1:50 today because you are saving it for Chapter Seven (the Gutnick owned free-for-all trotter who races here Sunday)! I had to tease him a little bit."


 

[3 wide and wingin]

I don't quite understand how people complain about how Rich races his horse as Market Share was a $16,000 yearling purchase whose fastest win time was 1.58.4 and never left Freehold last year. I guess you're saying he should have spent $30,000 and staked him to everything but if you stake every yearling to everything it's a formula for losing a lot of money.

Yea Goo goo wasnt even a purchase or even a breeding. He was the farm mare with the farm stud. Truly a miracle. For me that he isnt going to run around this year and chase everyone and supplement to everything is fine. The 650,000$ with a little more coming from the Matron and MDSS is OK.

BTW He is in to qualify today at 5 pm at Rosecroft.

[Elgin]

JJ, if the only people entitled to weigh in on a particular horse were the owners of said horse and their nearest and dearest, this sport would be in much sorrier shape than it is now. 99% of what has been said and written about Market Share is positive, but you're knawing on that 1% like a dog on a bone.

That was a genuine crush job at The Red Mile today. He treated that field like colts that don't belong on the same track with him.

Congratulations to all involved.

[jordanjacob]

JJ, if the only people entitled to weigh in on a particular horse were the owners of said horse and their nearest and dearest, this sport would be in much sorrier shape than it is now. 99% of what has been said and written about Market Share is positive, but you're knawing on that 1% like a dog on a bone.

That was a genuine crush job at The Red Mile today. He treated that field like colts that don't belong on the same track with him.

Congratulations to all involved.

what gives you the right to say how someone should spend their $62,700?