help stop horse theft.

[javelina]

Marvin Raber stole this horse,  tried to race and got caught.   Then pushed horse thru a fake sale and is trying again.   We need you.


 The Raber shenanigans continue...

He has STAR in to qualify at Scioto on Tuesday July 10.

PLEASE, for all that want to help STAR... we need to CALL SCIOTO before 10am their time.

Call the Race Office 614-491-2426 or Toll-Free Number: 1-800-723-6967 Call the Judges 614-491-5855

PLEASURE HORSE ONLY, CANNOT RACE !

[AmyHollar]

He stole the horse?

There is a police report to prove this?

From what I understand the judges are aware of the situation and there isn't any "theft" involved at all.

There are steps to be taken when horses are sold as "pleasure" only and those steps were not followed by the previous owner and calling Marvin a "thief" on a public forum is uncalled for and frankly I hope the Power Which Be removes it ASAP. 

[LVGaryD]

Marvin Raber did not steal the horse. This is horseshit and he is getting screwed over big time. He bought a horse at a real auction, not a fake auction.

Supposedly once the former owners heard he had bought the horse at auction, the former owners declared that the horse had been sold by them to whoever sold the horse at auction as a "pleasure only" horse, thus making the horse unable to race again. Unfortunately, the horse was not sold at auction as a pleasure only horse. He owns the horse and can now race it.

This is not a new situation, but something the busybodies want to rehash. This is what happens when someone does not want to get embarrassed after they sell a horse.

[Just Saying]

Years back, I had a huge 2yo pacer that was pushing 17 hands. He could fly, but always lame, and threatening to bow a tendon at any minute. An Amish fellow was passing thru and wondered if he was for sale, so I sold the colt for cash and handed him the signed papers.

Couple years later I got a call from the USTA that someone was wanting to qualify him at Maywood Park, but I was still the registered owner. I told them that I sold him, but didn't know the buyers name, so I didn't give a sh*t if someone else did well with him. He quallied well, then broke down after his 1st money start. Glad I ended up with the money instead of the horse.

Nobody involved did anything shifty... stuff just happens.

[LVGaryD]

In this case I know exactly what happened, as I spoke to one of the owners of the sale company where the horse was bought by Marvin Raber.

This is a case of utter b.s.

When people sell to the Amish, they do not like ever seeing the horse race again, so they do not give the papers to the buyer. They may sell it to an Amish buyer with the understanding the horse is for pleasure or Amish use only.

The buyer then sells to another Amish man for a small profit. New Amish owner drives the horse on the road, sees it is a nice horse and word gets around the Amish community that "Joe Shetler has a really fast horse..."

SO Joe decides to put the horse in the auction with no papers. The buyer then applies to the USTA for papers using the horse's tatoo number, and the USTA informs the buyer that the horse was declared to be pleasure only. When the buyer asks when that happened, the USTA learns it was after the sale, which is a no no. Turns out the horse has been sold twice since the first sale, so that negates the "pleasure only" status.

What it boils down to (in my opinion) is people do not want to be embarrassed when the horse comes back from the Amish and makes someone else money.

[javelina]

My understanding is the horse was given away and designated pleasure only, the receiver accepted the horse as this.   After awhile they ended up getting rid of the horse, to Raber.   The owner never put the horse up for auction instead the people who took the horse for pleasure only did.

Raber ended up with the horse and the orginal owner had no idea this was occurring until the horse showed up in a qualifier at Northfield.

The owner contacted Northfield who in turn stopped the horse from being able to race.

Raber then put the horse in another auction and used the paperwork from the auction to remove the original owners name and pleasure only designation.

Isn't it funny Raber had the horse before and after the auction?   Just now he is the "listed" owner?

What was the purpose of the original owner listing the horse as pleasure only?   It was so it wouldnt be raced anymore.

Now...to add to all this when the original owner contacted Raber about this whole fiasco she was told to basically go pound salt in other words pay this huge fake bill.   Then when the horse went into that sale she had someone there but they just bidded up the auction as the money they were spending was going right back into there own pocket, less the auctioneer fee, which isnt much.

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

Why would anyone even contemplate letting him care for a horse?

[Just Saying]

My understanding is the horse was given away and designated pleasure only, the receiver accepted the horse as this.   After awhile they ended up getting rid of the horse, to Raber.   The owner never put the horse up for auction instead the people who took the horse for pleasure only did.

Raber ended up with the horse and the orginal owner had no idea this was occurring until the horse showed up in a qualifier at Northfield.

The owner contacted Northfield who in turn stopped the horse from being able to race.

Raber then put the horse in another auction and used the paperwork from the auction to remove the original owners name and pleasure only designation.

Isn't it funny Raber had the horse before and after the auction?   Just now he is the "listed" owner?

What was the purpose of the original owner listing the horse as pleasure only?   It was so it wouldnt be raced anymore.

Now...to add to all this when the original owner contacted Raber about this whole fiasco she was told to basically go pound salt in other words pay this huge fake bill.   Then when the horse went into that sale she had someone there but they just bidded up the auction as the money they were spending was going right back into there own pocket, less the auctioneer fee, which isnt much.

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

Why would anyone even contemplate letting him care for a horse?

If it's that important to you, contact the local Racing Board and the USTA and give them your name, then file a formal complaint.  ... pretty simple.

[javelina]

If it's that important to you, contact the local Racing Board and the USTA and give them your name, then file a formal complaint.  ... pretty simple.

Already have.

[AmyHollar]

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

There are no New Jersey or USTA rulings against Marvin.......so are you sure about this?

[The Giss]

There are no New Jersey or USTA rulings against Marvin.......so are you sure about this?

Why let the truth ruin a good story, Amy?
I have a hunch there may be more than one Marvin Raber in the Amish Community. Maybe not, but...

[Blue Chip55]

THIS IS A TRAVISTY 

[LVGaryD]

The title of the thread is "help stop horse theft". The horse was obviously not stolen. The horse is obviously not going to be prevented from racing-he qualified today. Finally he must not be too lame, he trotted in 2:00.1.

This is a total bullshit thread-he said, she said. Well I say to all concerned: If you wanted the horse badly enough or were so worried about the welfare of the horse, you should have kept the horse or donated it to a horse retirement facility.

You cannot designate a horse as a "pleasure only" horse long after the horse has been sold. It is my understanding that the former owners were contacted by an attorney and presented an offer to buy the horse back and did not take the offer.

[LVGaryD]

Why let the truth ruin a good story, Amy?
I have a hunch there may be more than one Marvin Raber in the Amish Community. Maybe not, but...

Next thing you will be telling us is that there is more than one Andy Miller.

 

[AmyHollar]

I've been reminded several times about selling a horse "with out" papers.......

1-You do not want a horse remaining in your name and opening up yourself to a possible liability issue if the horse would be involved in an accident of any sort resulting in damage.

2-If God forbid a horse is in your name and unbeknownst to you it ends up in a killer pen, YOU are the responsible party.

We never sell a horse unless the signed papers accompany the horse and we only sell to reputable Amish men. The people we deal with, we've dealt with for years......they have wonderful reputations and keep us informed on a horses welfare........I've had new owners contact us after buying a few wanting to know quirks or to say a mare we've sold just foaled........it's actually very comforting.

I'm not a fool in rose colored glasses......I'm sure there have been some less than ideal conditions some have ended up in.........unfortunate nature of the business when you can't afford to keep them forever.

 

[AmyHollar]

All this aside..........a thread dedicated to calling a horseman a horse thief and abuser is bullshit.

And pretty hypocritical from someone who continually defended his connections against accusations........accusations mind you, I've also voiced displeasure in being made.