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Title: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: careless hal on December 21, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
http://www.drf.com/news/pandolfo-meadowlands-returns-b-c-classification-system


Too bad this isn't going to happen:

So Balmoral and the Meadowlands have the best chance of stealing business away from Thoroughbred tracks. There's no question in my mind that this greatly contributed to Balmoral's increase in handle. Balmoral's racing appeals to almost all types of horse players. This goes to show that if you put on a good product, with exciting come-from-behind winners, full fields, and good payoffs, people will bet on your races. If the state of Illinois votes in slot machines at racetracks in 2013, Balmoral could easily become the top harness track in North America.

Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: LVGaryD on December 21, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
If the state of Illinois votes in slot machines at racetracks in 2013, Balmoral could easily become the top harness track in North America.
 
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Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: mo doc n on December 25, 2012, 07:09:03 PM
Here is the one line in the article that i think is terribly wrong!!!

This gives the racing secretary the power to classify horses based on current form

If I'm an owner or trainer , I would want to put my horses where I think they belong
just sayin'
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 25, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
So Balmoral and the Meadowlands have the best chance of stealing business away from Thoroughbred tracks. There's no question in my mind that this greatly contributed to Balmoral's increase in handle. Balmoral's racing appeals to almost all types of horse players. This goes to show that if you put on a good product, with exciting come-from-behind winners, full fields, and good payoffs, people will bet on your races. If the state of Illinois votes in slot machines at racetracks in 2013, Balmoral could easily become the top harness track in North America.
Balmoral handles good money because of 3 things 1 - it's a mile track 2 - because their signal is everywhere (look at Northfield) 3 - they race when very few tracks do (wed) (sun)

Balmoral has a terrible product  !! terrible horses and terrible drivers !!

Balmoral has the most inconsistent racing there is = big payouts , they have lame horses racing each week that never race back to the same form they raced the week before .

And you have drivers that you have to guess on who's trying from week to week (Widger) (Miller) (Oosting) those 3 drivers could never pull the shit that they do at another racetrack without getting thrown out.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: careless hal on December 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
And you have drivers that you have guess on who's trying from week to week (Widger) (Miller) (Oosting) those 3 drivers could never pull the shit that they do at another racetrack without getting thrown out.


You must not watch the Big M and the Meadows, not to mention Northfield.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 25, 2012, 11:23:35 PM
And you have drivers that you have guess on who's trying from week to week (Widger) (Miller) (Oosting) those 3 drivers could never pull the shit that they do at another racetrack without getting thrown out.


You must not watch the Big M and the Meadows, not to mention Northfield.
Northfield a close 2nd as for the other 2 its not even close.

There's really no reason to sneeze a horse at the Meadows when your going for 8k-22k a race .
I doubt any of the top drivers at the Meadowlands are willing to do it for the money ,they have way too much to lose .

Im not saying it doesn't happen from time to time at every track but at Balmoral it happens alot and especially when there are carryovers.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: careless hal on December 26, 2012, 06:32:30 AM
There's really no reason to sneeze a horse at the Meadows when your going for 8k-22k a race .
I doubt any of the top drivers at the Meadowlands are willing to do it for the money ,they have way too much to lose .

And, yet, some of the biggest scandals have taken place right there.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 26, 2012, 08:35:34 AM
And, yet, some of the biggest scandals have taken place right there.
Like ?
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: LVGaryD on December 26, 2012, 08:44:42 AM
I never heard of any big scandals at The Meadows. idunno
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: pezz97 on December 26, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Balmoral handles good money because of 3 things 1 - it's a mile track 2 - because their signal is everywhere (look at Northfield) 3 - they race when very few tracks do (wed) (sun)

Balmoral has a terrible product  !! terrible horses and terrible drivers !!

Balmoral has the most inconsistent racing there is = big payouts , they have lame horses racing each week that never race back to the same form they raced the week before .

And you have drivers that you have guess who's trying from week to week (Widger) (Miller) (Oosting) those 3 drivers could never pull the shit that they do at another racetrack without getting thrown out.
Prime Example, race#3 tonight
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: NIATROSS on December 26, 2012, 06:39:36 PM
as a harness racing fan for over 30 yrs i have seen some strange things go on at virtually all the tracks i have watched regularly
going way back to the banks family along with busse
just for good measure toss in all the chit pelling pulled and we and we have illinois covered
moving on to the meds when the simulcasting market opened up and we had the lachance family running wild   the pools and purses were huge and the exactas and tris were well worth the payout    micel and luc playing the give and go and get em home add in patrick and it was trifecta time

if you play any track often enuff you will see the games drivers
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Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 26, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
if you play any track often enuff you will see the games drivers
 play
Couln't agree more
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: CyberChamp on December 26, 2012, 08:36:50 PM
A-B-C: Isn't that how they classify greyhounds???   slaphead
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: LVGaryD on December 26, 2012, 08:51:41 PM
Roosevelt Raceway did very well using this system many years ago. Might work, can't hurt.  idunno
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: careless hal on December 26, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
A-B-C: Isn't that how they classify greyhounds???   slaphead

Yes.  And henceforth, I expect you to list your selections for each race A_B_C!
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: cashman on December 27, 2012, 07:51:48 AM
A-B-C: Isn't that how they classify greyhounds???   slaphead

Ya confusing as shit if you been drinking for awhile. Will take some time to,getnusedbtoo.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: dinkadoo on December 27, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
A-B-C: Isn't that how they classify greyhounds???   slaphead
Yes, and my friend that races at Wheeling contributes 90% of the cheating due to their classification system.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: RocknRoll on December 27, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
Balmoral handles good money because of 3 things 1 - it's a mile track 2 - because their signal is everywhere (look at Northfield) 3 - they race when very few tracks do (wed) (sun)

Balmoral has a terrible product  !! terrible horses and terrible drivers !!

Balmoral has the most inconsistent racing there is = big payouts , they have lame horses racing each week that never race back to the same form they raced the week before .

And you have drivers that you have guess who's trying from week to week (Widger) (Miller) (Oosting) those 3 drivers could never pull the shit that they do at another racetrack without getting thrown out.

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Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Just Saying on December 27, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
I have never made any bones about the fact that I'm not a gambler, but I'm smart enough to know that if every horse & every driver raced to form every start, the payoffs would be nothing. It would cease to be gambling. The REAL gamblers are the ones who figure out when, who, and how much to bet. JMO
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 27, 2012, 01:52:10 PM
I have never made any bones about the fact that I'm not a gambler, but I'm smart enough to know that if every horse & every driver raced to form every start, the payoffs would be nothing. It would cease to be gambling. The REAL gamblers are the ones who figure out when, who, and how much to bet. JMO
The point is that Balmoral has the same horses racing week after week and its a total crap shoot most times , do they want to win out of the class they're racing in ? because in most cases if you win out where do you go with the horse (because most can't win in the next class)

As for the cheap claimers its the same horses all year and most have alot of problems - one week the horse had vet work done and races great and for the next 3 weeks they're dead lame and up the track .

Then you factor in Oosting ,Miller and Widger and it really becomes brutal (all 3 have taken days for Lack Of Effort in the past 2 years)
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Dolfan on December 27, 2012, 06:13:32 PM
If I'm an owner or trainer , I would want to put my horses where I think they belong
just sayin'

No different from Conditional races, in general.  You have a choice to meet the conditions or go into claimers.  The beautiful thing about it is you can combine B1-B2 & handicap by pp.  Also, on shippers if the Racing Secretary blows it & puts a monster into B2 & the horse wins by 10 he could double or even triple jump him into A-2 or A-3.

I agree with Pandy that the A,B,C system in the 70's at RR & YR produced the most interesting racing.  Of course you need to have a sharp Racing Secretary who doesn't do favors.  I think it'll work at M1 but not at most other tracks.  Could work at Meadows if they hired a Racing Secretary who Dave Palone couldn't communicate with.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: careless hal on December 28, 2012, 03:04:18 AM
.This was tried a few years back at Tioga and Vernon.  It didn't last long.  So, exactly why is this any different? With all the crap that goes on at the Big M, I won't be playing it much anyway.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Gazoo on December 28, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
I see that Ira Smolin the father of Bobby Smolin had the only pick 5 ticket at Balmoral Weds night and now Balmoral has the ticket on hold  slaphead

I watched the only race Bobby was in  and it didn't look like anything funny went on in the race but i see that some people disagree.

My question is how does Balmoral have the right to put a hold on the ticket unless they feel that something funny went on in the pick 5 .

Nice racetrack !!  It's bad enough everybody already thinks they cheat at Balmoral and now this  .
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: pezz97 on December 28, 2012, 11:57:02 AM
I see that Ira Smolin the father of Bobby Smolin had the only pick 5 ticket at Balmoral Weds night and now Balmoral has the ticket on hold  slaphead

I watched the only race Bobby was in  and it didn't look like anything funny went on in the race but i see that some people disagree.

My question is how does Balmoral have the right to put a hold on the ticket unless they feel that something funny went on in the pick 5 .

Nice racetrack !!  It's bad enough everybody already thinks they cheat at Balmoral and now this  .

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Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: Danville on December 28, 2012, 12:15:24 PM
I see that Ira Smolin the father of Bobby Smolin had the only pick 5 ticket at Balmoral Weds night and now Balmoral has the ticket on hold  slaphead

I watched the only race Bobby was in  and it didn't look like anything funny went on in the race but i see that some people disagree.

My question is how does Balmoral have the right to put a hold on the ticket unless they feel that something funny went on in the pick 5 .

Nice racetrack !!  It's bad enough everybody already thinks they cheat at Balmoral and now this  .


If you live or race in Illinois you quickly become accustomed to the crap that is dominant at the Chicago tracks and sooner or later throw your hands in the air and look elsewhere if you wish continue in the game.
Corruption is the prevailing mentallity not only at the harness tracks but throughout the city and state gevernments. It's something you live with if you live in or near Crook County and it's monster money sucking crew in Chicago.
Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: pezz97 on December 28, 2012, 12:17:11 PM

If you live or race in Illinois you quickly become accustomed to the crap that is dominant at the Chicago tracks and sooner or later throw your hands in the air and look elsewhere if you wish continue in the game.
Corruption is the prevailing mentallity not only at the harness tracks but throughout the city and state gevernments. It's something you live with if you live in or near Crook County and it's monster money sucking crew in Chicago.
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Title: Re: Analysis of A-B-C Racing AND Other Stuff.
Post by: mo doc n on December 29, 2012, 06:30:45 PM
A-B-C: Isn't that how they classify greyhounds???   slaphead

It's slightly different , with the Greyhounds if you won a race you would move up the next letter grade and if you did not win 4 times you would move down a grade
The only difference with the dogs is they probably race every 3-5 days.

It works for that Sport but I'm skeptical when it comes to Harness Racing
If I'm wrong ~ so be it.

I'll let you know when I see how my first pick 4 of the meet turns out :D