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Title: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: NIATROSS on December 18, 2012, 06:55:17 AM
last night's game imo has once and for all exposed another ex usc qb as a fraud
palmer leinnart sanchez were all hyped to the max coming out and have done nothing
makes me wonder about the current qb  at usc

not sure if rex ryan would be at the top of my worst coaches list without his big mouth but that seals the deal for me
2nd of my list would be jerry jones.we all know since jimmy johnson left the rest of the coaches have been well paid jones lackeys
3rd on my list is norv turner.other coaches have done far more with much less
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: jordanjacob on December 18, 2012, 07:38:16 AM
Sanchez's NFL career is over after this season in my opinion

 
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: The Giss on December 18, 2012, 08:13:22 AM
Sanchez's NFL career is over after this season in my opinion

Nope, the Browns will probably sign him.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 18, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
If they cut Sanchez, it is a 17 million dollar cap hit for the Jets. That will never happen. He will be on there roster next year.


There is a lot of bad QB play in the league

Arizona, Minnesota, jets, Buffalo, Tennessee, Jacksonville and kansas City all should be looking for new Qb's Next year

as far as the coaches, I think there will be 10 coaches fired when the season ends.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: LVGaryD on December 18, 2012, 08:27:00 AM
If they cut Sanchez, it is a 17 million dollar cap hit for the Jets. That will never happen. He will be on there roster next year.
Now that would be a dirty Sanchez! slaphead
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: tonyb147 on December 18, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
last night's game imo has once and for all exposed another ex usc qb as a fraud
palmer leinnart sanchez were all hyped to the max coming out and have done nothing
makes me wonder about the current qb  at usc

not sure if rex ryan would be at the top of my worst coaches list without his big mouth but that seals the deal for me
2nd of my list would be jerry jones.we all know since jimmy johnson left the rest of the coaches have been well paid jones lackeys
3rd on my list is norv turner.other coaches have done far more with much less

I'm not a Carson Palmer fan by any means but I don't think he should be classified as a fraud or on the same list as Leinart and Sanchez. The latter two plain out suck(ed) while Palmer is an average but legitimate NFL QB.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 18, 2012, 03:35:05 PM
I'm not a Carson Palmer fan by any means but I don't think he should be classified as a fraud or on the same list as Leinart and Sanchez. The latter two plain out suck(ed) while Palmer is an average but legitimate NFL QB.
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Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Dolfan on December 18, 2012, 04:15:14 PM
I'm of the same Palmer opinion.

As for Sanchez, I've said for years that he is no better than Chad Henne who is a legit backup QB.  That USC list includes includes many frauds such as Vince Evans, Sean Salisbury, Rob Johnson, Todd Marinovich, Rodney Peete and now, Matt Barkley.  Given that list, Palmer is best.

Rex Ryan is not a bad coach but he is clueless offensively as is Tony Sparano & GM Tannenbaum has collected the worst group of WRs to go with their below-average QB.  They have finished the season 1-5 against teams with a winning record which means they had 10 games against losers and still couldn't make the playoffs.

Worst coaches are Norv, Chan Gailey, Romeo Crennel, Dennis Allen, Ron Rivera, Jason Garrett & Jim Schwartz.  They rule the under achievers.

Best coaches for game-planning:  Belichick, Sean Payton, Jim Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy, Gary Kubiak, Mike Smith.

Coaches who get the most out of their players:  John Fox, Mike Tomlin, Jeff Fisher, Mike Shanahan, John Harbaugh, Tom Coughlin, Rex Ryan.

Still too soon to tell: Pat Shurmur, Joe Philbin, Leslie Frazier, Mike Schiano, Mike Mularkey, Mike Munchack.

Too long to tell:  Lovie, Marvin Lewis, Pete Carroll, Andy Reid, Ken Wisenhunt.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Jeremy on December 18, 2012, 05:22:20 PM
I don't think Tomlin is nearly as good as you give him credit for, but not nearly as bad as Donk gives him credit for.

Pat Shurmer seems like a below average coach, but if he had a good quarterback he would look a lot better.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: jordanjacob on December 18, 2012, 05:25:26 PM
I still cannot understand how Norv Turner still has a job as an NFL head coach and Marty Schottenheimer doesn't
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Dolfan on December 18, 2012, 05:49:24 PM
I still cannot understand how Norv Turner still has a job as an NFL head coach and Marty Schottenheimer doesn't

I'm with you.  And Chan Gailey?
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: NIATROSS on December 18, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
I still cannot understand how Norv Turner still has a job as an NFL head coach and Marty Schottenheimer doesn't

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Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 18, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
I don't think Tomlin is nearly as good as you give him credit for, but not nearly as bad as Donk gives him credit for.

Pat Shurmer seems like a below average coach, but if he had a good quarterback he would look a lot better.
I don't think he will get another season with the new ownership. He will bring in a Gm who will want his own coach
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 18, 2012, 08:37:59 PM
Coaches who get the most out of their players: Mike Tomlin
slaphead  Yea he got the most out of them when they lost to the Browns, Raiders ,Tennessee and San Diego .

Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 18, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
slaphead  Yea he got the most out of them when they lost to the Browns, Raiders ,Tennessee and San Diego .
I am with you on this, all he is a louder Lovie Smith. Only difference between the 2, I wouldn't want to be at a bar with lovie having a drink, think i would fall asleep, Tomlin I think would be fun lol
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 18, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
I am with you on this, all he is a louder Lovie Smith. Only difference between the 2, I wouldn't want to be at a bar with lovie having a drink, think i would fall asleep, Tomlin I think would be fun lol
And i forgot he had to go to overtime to beat the powerfull Kansas City Cheifs at home.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: LVGaryD on December 18, 2012, 08:53:58 PM
slaphead  Yea he got the most out of them when they lost to the Browns, Raiders ,Tennessee and San Diego .
They were outclassed by the powerful Browns. rflmao1
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 18, 2012, 08:59:17 PM
They were outclassed by the powerful Browns. rflmao1
I love the fact that Pittsburgh has to beat Cincy and Cleveland to make the playoffs .
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 18, 2012, 09:07:06 PM
One thing the Steelers have going for them this week is Marvin Lewis is even more inept than Tomlin
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 18, 2012, 09:16:29 PM
last night's game imo has once and for all exposed another ex usc qb as a fraud
palmer leinnart sanchez were all hyped to the max coming out and have done nothing
makes me wonder about the current qb  at usc

It's amazing that all of them have been busts .

What college has produced the most busts in the last 10 years ?
Imo it has to be Ohio St
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Dolfan on December 19, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
Say what you want but it is my opinion that very few coaches could be 7-7 with this talent.  They are 4-3 against teams with winning records with no RBs, poor play at WR & an average defense that plays up most of the time, mainly because of Lebeau.  All of their key players have missed several games & they are still in contention.

Yes, they have lost games that they should have won but most teams have done that.  How do Giants fans feel after getting shellacked by Atlanta?  Everyone thinks their team stinks, their coach sucks... 

Try it from here folks.  One playoff game in 10 years!  6 different head coaches since Dave Wannstedt.

Your complaints over one rough season don't register in South Florida.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 19, 2012, 01:29:42 AM

Your complaints over one rough season don't register in South Florida.
The Brandon Marshell trade still has me scratching my head  slaphead
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 19, 2012, 01:37:41 AM
Say what you want but it is my opinion that very few coaches could be 7-7 with this talent.  They are 4-3 against teams with winning records with no RBs
They do have a RB and that is Rashard Mendenhall !!!!

But the problem is that Tomlin has a different set of rules for each player on the team.
And don't think that doesn't go unnoticed in the locker room.

Give me any above average coach and this team is 9-5
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: LVGaryD on December 19, 2012, 04:27:02 AM
I love the fact that Pittsburgh has to beat Cincy and Cleveland to make the playoffs .
They may not beat either team. dorkusinterruptus
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 19, 2012, 04:56:07 AM
The Brandon Marshell trade still has me scratching my head  slaphead
And it has me Dancing., First Real WR the Bears have had in my lifetime
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Jeremy on December 19, 2012, 05:05:22 AM
I don't think he will get another season with the new ownership. He will bring in a Gm who will want his own coach

His fate was probably sealed when the new owner bought the team, but he hasn't been aggressive enough in going for a 2 point conversions or going for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter with the team down.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 19, 2012, 07:41:31 AM
They may not beat either team. dorkusinterruptus
That has about the same chance as Pezz has at dunking a basketball   rflmao1
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: pezz97 on December 19, 2012, 07:55:40 AM
That has about the same chance as Pezz has at dunking a basketball   rflmao1
rflmao1
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Dolfan on December 19, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
And it has me Dancing., First Real WR the Bears have had in my lifetime

That move left the Fins without one quality WR, then they draft Tannehill & tell him to throw it to Brian Hartline!  slaphead

That's a bad GM.
Title: Re: O/T Bad qb's and coaches in the NFL
Post by: Gazoo on December 23, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
Once again Tomlin proves how bad of a head coach he really is  slaphead