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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: careless hal on December 30, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
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Has to get OK from NJ first. But, it looks like we may well see him in action at the Big M soon. If we do, I would not expect him to crack the top 5, but we don't know what other drivers will be there or not.
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Not sure why trainers aren't allowed in based on speculation but drivers that accepted a lifetime ban (at least in Ohio...I don't know the full story) and attempted to murder someone are fine to race there.
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Good. he did the crime, he did the time, now give the guy a chance. Walter was a driving God at one point. Maybe he can come back and do some good. Hope he makes it.
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Not sure why trainers aren't allowed in based on speculation but drivers that accepted a lifetime ban (at least in Ohio...I don't know the full story) and attempted to murder someone are fine to race there.
And others who Ohio tracks chose not to do business with over race-fixing and gambling.
It's Mr. Gural's track...he can welcome whoever he wants.
(But plus + about a million, Jeremy)
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I applaud Mr. Gural for allowing Walter Case Jr. to ply the only trade he knows at the Big M. Walter is universally known as one of the best ever to don a set of colors, he has paid his debt to society, why should he not be allowed to drive there?
Let's face it, Northfield is the most hypocritical and phoniest track in America. They got rid of Jimmy Pantaleano, Randy Tharps, and Dave Hawk. Wow, that just makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing who is still racing there under the guise of many different trainers.
Hell Carl Milstein himself was a convicted felon, yet was later the most loyal, shrewd racetrack operator in Ohio. Sadly, loyalty was one trait he did not pass on in his genes.
In my way of looking at the Case situation, here is a chance to prove that a junkie and a convicted felon can be rehabilitated and return to glory, one hell of a p.r. angle!!!
In The Sulky management wishes nothing but the best for Walter! bowdown
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knowing who is still racing there under the guise of many different trainers.
Wha-Wha-WHAT?! :o
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What's the over/under on what date Walter screws up again! bowdown
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In my way of looking at the Case situation, here is a chance to prove that a junkie and a convicted felon can be rehabilitated and return to glory, one hell of a p.r. angle!!!
yeah everyone roots for a guy that stabbed his ex wife and used to kick horses.
yes I know he kicked them during the race and not in anger but who outside the racing would know that?
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I think its great! i agree with TW, he did the crime and the time so whats the problem? Nobodys perfect i dont care who they are and people deserve chances to prove they have changed. Now its a different story if repeat offenders and i dont know walter personally or his story except what i heard about him. I never got the chance to see him drive so from what i hear what he used to do it could be an interesting meet.
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Walter was one of the best small track drivers period. It would be amazing if he could regain anything like his old form. I saw a lot of races in his brief return at Plainridge. Looked like he was in pretty good form there. We will see if he can now handle the Big M. I will leave it to others to determine whether he deserves another chance. Not all of the drivers at the Big M have had pristine pasts. If race fixers can be given another chance, I guess he can too.
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But will the owners and trainers put him up on the best stock. Without the stock he is sure to fail.
I wish him well, but I feel he will get only the also rans to drive, and that frustation will lead to off the track problems. Hope I am wrong.
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I have to agree with Gary here. I would like to see Walter come back and do well and let his demons reside elsewhere. I know Walter from a long time ago when I used to change his diapers in Lewiston Maine. I wish him all the best, and as far as kicking one in a race, I know it is against the rules, but I would rather see that the some of the slashers we have today. And yes everybody gets to ply his trade after they have served their time. Michael Vick is one of many cases.
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And yes everybody gets to ply his trade after they have served their time.
I think its great! i agree with TW, he did the crime and the time so whats the problem?
I applaud Mr. Gural for allowing Walter Case Jr. to ply the only trade he knows at the Big M. Walter is universally known as one of the best ever to don a set of colors, he has paid his debt to society, why should he not be allowed to drive there?
Good. he did the crime, he did the time, now give the guy a chance. Walter was a driving God at one point. Maybe he can come back and do some good. Hope he makes it.
As I stated, I don't know all the details of his lifetime ban, and unfortunately no one has responded to that. All the responses were about his criminal history. If he did accept a lifetime ban from driving horses he didn't serve his time because even if he is a born again Christian, he still is on that same lifetime.
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Best driver to walk on the track in my 30+ years of going to Northfield Park.BAR NONE.I also understand why he will/should never step on the racing surface at Northfield again.But if you own or train horses and like money,you want this guy in the bike.I don't care what track he drives at,Schools about to start.
And for you cappers over there on the East Coast,Don't underestimate this guy,don't wait till he has run in 20 horses paying $40 b4 you get on the bandwagon.
Here,let me say this 1 more time.Do not underestimate this guy,he will make you a ton of money getting on horse who look like they have NO chance..
And before anyone asks,i have never met,or spoke to Case in my life.But he could get a Jackass to run a 1:55 mile at Northfied tomorrow.JMO
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Gural and Case!!!
Aces.
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But he could get a Jackass to run a 1:55 mile at Northfied tomorrow.JMO
Good post until the last sentence.
Letting Case back does nothing but provide the sport another blackeye.
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Walter was one of the best small track drivers period. It would be amazing if he could regain anything like his old form. I saw a lot of races in his brief return at Plainridge. Looked like he was in pretty good form there. We will see if he can now handle the Big M. I will leave it to others to determine whether he deserves another chance. Not all of the drivers at the Big M have had pristine pasts. If race fixers can be given another chance, I guess he can too.
I used to speak with Case when he drove for John Carver at Sportsman's Park, fairly often. He was always a good guy, with a quip or some fact that had fallen by the wayside. Never short, or blasphemous.
To carry your point furthur Hal, find one occupation anywhere in the country where all who practise them have "pristine pasts". That includes the current resident of the White House-------------and his frau, the lovely Moooochie !!
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Good post until the last sentence.
Letting Case back does nothing but provide the sport another blackeye.
Totally disagree. Walter will immediately garner interest and betting dollars. And he also might give hope to a lot of inmates who are currently incarcerared, not to mention tjeu will likely be releases some day.....and give us a whole new fan base. ;D
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I used to speak with Case when he drove for John Carver at Sportsman's Park, fairly often. He was always a good guy, with a quip or some fact that had fallen by the wayside. Never short, or blasphemous.
To carry your point furthur Hal, find one occupation anywhere in the country where all who practise them have "pristine pasts". That includes the current resident of the White House-------------and his frau, the lovely Moooochie !!
As much as I dislike the current President he is not a convicted felon.
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I used to speak with Case when he drove for John Carver at Sportsman's Park, fairly often. He was always a good guy, with a quip or some fact that had fallen by the wayside. Never short, or blasphemous.
To carry your point furthur Hal, find one occupation anywhere in the country where all who practise them have "pristine pasts". That includes the current resident of the White House-------------and his frau, the lovely Moooochie !!
I was starting to get excited, thought you made a post without getting political until reading the last sentence.
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Totally disagree. Walter will immediately garner interest and betting dollars. And he also might give hope to a lot of inmates who are currently incarcerared, not to mention tjeu will likely be releases some day.....and give us a whole new fan base. ;D
So you are okay with letting a convicted felon back into the game in the interest of increased handle ?
I am not.
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I was starting to get excited, thought you made a post without getting political until reading the last sentence.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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So you are okay with letting a convicted felon back into the game in the interest of increased handle ?
I am not.
I can't ever imagine bringing a lady friend to the track and telling her "this guy was one of the best drivers of all time, he stabbed his ex wife but was allowed back because he was good at his job, what would you like to drink?"
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I support Walter Case and Jeff Gural.
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Gural and Case!!!
Aces.
I support Walter Case and Jeff Gural.
You want a cracker Polly ?
You are also on record as being a major supporter of Josh Marks.
The scumbag who is barred from every track North America.
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Gural and Case!!!
Aces.
I support Walter Case and Jeff Gural.
I was going to ask what you meant by the first post because it wasn't obvious enough. How about explaining why? At least for Case.
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Niatross quit beating me to the post by about 45 seconds!
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Of all WC demons, kicking a horse in a race is just a freaking joke. Taking your foot out of a stirrup and touching a horse on a hock is not kicking and many horses respond because it is something different from being slashed 100 times down the stretch. keeping a horse alive in the bit is a long lost art also. Most drivers only know to go as fast as you can as long as you can. WC will do well when he starts out because he will be driving horses that have not been getting the best drivers on them because of loyality of drivers to trainers, which is not a bad thing at all, just that WC will be a wake up call for alot of good horses getting previous lacadaisical drives. Definitely will be a good betting angle if you can catch it. thumbsup
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Of all WC demons, kicking a horse in a race is just a freaking joke. Taking your foot out of a stirrup and touching a horse on a hock is not kicking and many horses respond because it is something different from being slashed 100 times down the stretch. keeping a horse alive in the bit is a long lost art also. Most drivers only know to go as fast as you can as long as you can. WC will do well when he starts out because he will be driving horses that have not been getting the best drivers on them because of loyality of drivers to trainers, which is not a bad thing at all, just that WC will be a wake up call for alot of good horses getting previous lacadaisical drives. Definitely will be a good betting angle if you can catch it. thumbsup
joke or not it was still against the rules. If other drivers were playing by the rules and his horse won because he kicked it, the results of the race were not fair and those who bet the other horse were ripped off.
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Niatross quit beating me to the post by about 45 seconds!
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
No real football to watch until later.
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I was going to ask what you meant by the first post because it wasn't obvious enough. How about explaining why? At least for Case.
I root for people who have to rise above some type of adversity, whether it's a handicap, an ailment, a financial burden, etc. Self imposed or not.
Walter was molested as a child, 40 years ago things like this were hush hush. I don't doubt that he turned to something to hide it and that something turned into a disaster.
He admits he had a problem which is the first step to recovery. He deserves a shot to set the record straight and play his last hand.
I think he should be under some strict conditions and if he violates them should be dismissed without inquiry.
Sorry to have double posted in this thread, I am a member of multiple blogs each with a thread about this very issue.
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Can anyone verify this claim that Case was molested as a minor ?
If not is the type of forum thsi place has turned into ?
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Can anyone verify this claim that Case was molested as a minor ?
If not is the type of forum thsi place has turned into ?
I read an article on Case that stated that very thing. I don't remember who wrote it or where it was published, but I read it from a link from this site.
I agree with Beans, the kicking rule is bogus. Brushing a horse's hock with your toe ain't kicking. I'd much have that than getting nailed with a whip. I've been booted in the ass, and laced with a whip. Always choose the boot!
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I read an article on Case that stated that very thing. I don't remember who wrote it or where it was published, but I read it from a link from this site.
I agree with Beans, the kicking rule is bogus. Brushing a horse's hock with your toe ain't kicking. I'd much have that than getting nailed with a whip. I've been booted in the ass, and laced with a whip. Always choose the boot!
Just one question JS, only one person I know short enough to boot you in the ass. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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Just one question JS, only one person I know short enough to boot you in the ass. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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Can anyone verify this claim that Case was molested as a minor ?
If not is the type of forum thsi place has turned into ?
I read the article, which was written by Railbird Roberts in the Cleveland Plain Dealer many years ago. Said Walter had been abused at 8 or 9 years old.
That does not excuse his stabbing of Nadine, and I see no bearing on his return to harness racing. If they let Herve come back, anyone else who ever wore a set of colors should be allowed to return once his or her legal problems have been absolved.
I know two different people in Ohio that race right now that were convicted of worse felonies than Walter was.
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Thank Gary for confirming the story.
I agree with you on the Herve comment.
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Sorry you feel that way Tross.I really could care less if Case ever drives again.My post was aimed at the handicappers on the board.Just trying to make sure they were aware of what this guy is/was capable of.I'll just go back to reading the board.2 comments in 1 day means i can wait another 6 months before my next 1...
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Sorry you feel that way Tross.I really could care less if Case ever drives again.
Best driver to walk on the track in my 30+ years of going to Northfield Park.BAR NONE.I also understand why he will/should never step on the racing surface at Northfield again.But if you own or train horses and like money,you want this guy in the bike.I don't care what track he drives at,Schools about to start.
Before you disappear into the shadows ;
I think deep down you really would like to see him drive again , judging by your first paragraph.
No one is perfect and I had trouble believing a leopard doesn't change it's spots in the past but I have seen it done recently , so I say give him a second chance.
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Sorry you feel that way Tross.I really could care less if Case ever drives again.My post was aimed at the handicappers on the board.Just trying to make sure they were aware of what this guy is/was capable of.I'll just go back to reading the board.2 comments in 1 day means i can wait another 6 months before my next 1...
STICK AROUND PAL. THE MORE THE MERRIER.
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I think Walter Case is one of the best to ever sit in a race bike... I also expect him to screw up again. I've seen some turn it around, but very few.
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I'm not a big chalk player so a guy like Case does my style no justice.The guy dominated like no other.You can take the best 4 drivers at the Big M,give them there choice of horses all night,and let case have his pick of the rest,and Case will win his share.
As of late at Northfield Park,Dan Noble has dominated the track.Luckily,the new kid on the block (Tyler Smith)has made me some money over the last couple of months.But when 1 driver wins 40% of the races,it's hard to find much value.Now that the year is over,i hope dan heads south again and things get back to normal around here.
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Sorry you feel that way Tross.I really could care less if Case ever drives again.My post was aimed at the handicappers on the board.Just trying to make sure they were aware of what this guy is/was capable of.I'll just go back to reading the board.2 comments in 1 day means i can wait another 6 months before my next 1...
I am pretty sure every decent capper on this forum knows what Case is capable of.
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Before you disappear into the shadows ;
I think deep down you really would like to see him drive again , judging by your first paragraph.
No one is perfect and I had trouble believing a leopard doesn't change it's spots in the past but I have seen it done recently , so I say give him a second chance.
second, THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH!!!! Ect Ect. How many times do you let this guy go?
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I have a letter Walter wrote me from prison a few years ago............I loved the guy...........BUT.........if Walter still harbors the demons he once did and those I seem to think he still had in prison, I want him no where near the race track...........not for my benefit or of those around me, but for his own.
I would give anyone multiple chances.........what would be wrong with allowing Walter on a backstretch, but maybe not on the track as kind of a trial period?
See how he is doing working with horses and horsemen for about 6 months and then determine if he is capable of holding a driving license again.
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Interesting idea, Amy. I'll have to think about that. Since he readily admits he liked to drive races drunk and/or high, I'd sure hope he's constantly tested if he goes back to driving.
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I have a letter Walter wrote me from prison a few years ago............I loved the guy...........BUT.........if Walter still harbors the demons he once did and those I seem to think he still had in prison, I want him no where near the race track...........not for my benefit or of those around me, but for his own.
I would give anyone multiple chances.........what would be wrong with allowing Walter on a backstretch, but maybe not on the track as kind of a trial period?
See how he is doing working with horses and horsemen for about 6 months and then determine if he is capable of holding a driving license again.
Maybe help take care of the outrider's horse or something?? ??? ???
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I'm looking forward to seeing Walter back
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I'm looking forward to seeing Walter back
I am too. A lot of the sports we watch and bet everyday has people who have been chance after chance and we still watch. The NFl the most recent. If he gets licensed, well he will have to follow the strict guidelines by it, if not see ya.
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Maybe help take care of the outrider's horse or something?? ??? ???
Shame on you noway
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I am too. A lot of the sports we watch and bet everyday has people who have been chance after chance and we still watch. The NFl the most recent. If he gets licensed, well he will have to follow the strict guidelines by it, if not see ya.
agree, just give him one chance
if there was one place Walter excelled it was on the racetrack
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Been following this thread. In my opinion Sir Walter was the king of the 1/2mile track. If I had my choice to drive a horse on a half it would be 1. Walter Case and 2. Tony Morgan. Hands down without a doubt (IMO) the 2 best drivers on a half mile I have ever seen!
Niatross, he deserves his chance....Filion,Morrill Jr, Brennan, Parker, all of them race fixed and are allowed to drive. As far as felons go... You watch the NFL every Sunday, I wonder what the percentage of convicted felons are in this sport?......I am going to say 35 to 40% . But you choose to condone this and watch. Let's give Walter his chance, I for one want to see him in the bike again!!
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Been following this thread. In my opinion Sir Walter was the king of the 1/2mile track. If I had my choice to drive a horse on a half it would be 1. Walter Case and 2. Tony Morgan. Hands down without a doubt (IMO) the 2 best drivers on a half mile I have ever seen!
Niatross, he deserves his chance....Filion,Morrill Jr, Brennan, Parker, all of them race fixed and are allowed to drive. As far as felons go... You watch the NFL every Sunday, I wonder what the percentage of convicted felons are in this sport?......I am going to say 35 to 40% . But you choose to condone this and watch. Let's give Walter his chance, I for one want to see him in the bike again!!
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Been following this thread. In my opinion Sir Walter was the king of the 1/2mile track. If I had my choice to drive a horse on a half it would be 1. Walter Case and 2. Tony Morgan. Hands down without a doubt (IMO) the 2 best drivers on a half mile I have ever seen!
Niatross, he deserves his chance....Filion,Morrill Jr, Brennan, Parker, all of them race fixed and are allowed to drive. As far as felons go... You watch the NFL every Sunday, I wonder what the percentage of convicted felons are in this sport?......I am going to say 35 to 40% . But you choose to condone this and watch. Let's give Walter his chance, I for one want to see him in the bike again!!
Convicted NFL players obviously don't hurt the sport. A convicted felon in harness racing could.
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I think your wrong. If it hurts one sport, then it would have to hurt the others.
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I think your wrong. If it hurts one sport, then it would have to hurt the others.
You just said that Niatross doesn't want a convicted felon in harness racing, but doesn't seem to be bothered when the NFL is filled with them.
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You just said that Niatross doesn't want a convicted felon in harness racing, but doesn't seem to be bothered when the NFL is filled with them.
I believe he is saying it didn't hurt the NFL, or doesn't hurt. So therefore it won't hurt harness racing.
AmyHollar-I like your idea, but to even be on the backstretch anywhere, at least here in NY anyways, you have to have a license, at least a grooms license. Is that not the same rule everywhere?
Give him a grooms license with conditions, and in 6 months review his status, at 6 month, modify his involvement some, and then after another 6 month period if he has fared well give him full access with conditions.
After 5 years if he has done all that was asked, has no reversals of any type, mark his file a success and let him finish his career.
If he screws up again, then he should be done for good.
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I believe he is saying it didn't hurt the NFL, or doesn't hurt. So therefore it won't hurt harness racing.
I know that is what he was saying... I used Niatross as an example because I disagree with that opinion.
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I'm sure more money is bet on football than on harness racing. It is most likekly less alarming in Harness to let a convicted felon back, because his participation is limited to certain venues. If you object, you can boycott the Big M. In football, you play in the league, you play everywhere.
If you have any questions on boycotts let me know, I'm sort of an expert on them. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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I'm sure more money is bet on football than on harness racing. It is most likekly less alarming in Harness to let a convicted felon back, because his participation is limited to certain venues. If you object, you can boycott the Big M. In football, you play in the league, you play everywhere.
If you have any questions on boycotts let me know, I'm sort of an expert on them. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
I believe people have different perceptions and attitudes when it comes to the athletes that participate in them based on the sport that is being played.
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Here are my simple minded opinions about this subject.
#1. It won't hurt harness racing reputation that was done ages ago and is unrepairable.
#2. Kicking a horse is the last thing anyone should be worrying about . noway
#3. Has Walter had enough chances ? Hell yes and I blame the people that kept letting him race for what
ultimately sent him to jail and almost killed his x-wife. Northfield sent many drivers/trainers packing for
whatever reason they felt like it yet let Walter race because they think he helped their bottom line.
#4. The man did the crime and paid the time and I really have a hard time judging anyone that way I
believe in God and think that's his job. BUT !
#5. I would make him test at the minimum weekly and also make him donate 5% of all earnings to some
sort of abused women organization, I would also make him do 1 monthly appearance to a college or high
school telling his life story and the effects that drugs and alcohol played. I would make him do this for a
minimum of 2 years and if he missed 1 time or payment or failed any drug/alcohol test he would get a
lifetime ban.
I think if he loves driving and is really sorry for his past mistakes he would agree to this in a heartbeat.
I know I'm a goof ball and a lot of people will disagree with me and that's OK.
I wish Mr Case the best and hope that someway he can make up for his past mistakes no matter how
hard that may be.
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Hugh Jass, we all know you are a goofball because one or two of your former trainers made sure we all knew it. ;D
That being said, you are often correct about a lot of things you post, and I sort of like the idea of Walter being forced to do the public service-type appearances to schools, etc. That is a novel idea that I have not read before, and in my goofball opinion, it's a very good idea.
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So you are okay with letting a convicted felon back into the game in the interest of increased handle ?
I am not.
I am all for increasing handle, I also must admit I would watch any track Case was at just to see how he does.
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1 thing really bugs me about all of this. Why the hell would he let Case drive there after all of his
problems yet exclude Pena who to the best of my knowledge has only been convicted of being a
flashy arrogant S.O.B. ? I think Gural may have a few loose screws himself, all though as a bettor
excluding Pena makes for much more value betting.
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You just said that Niatross doesn't want a convicted felon in harness racing, but doesn't seem to be bothered when the NFL is filled with them.
You would be 100% wrong.We are currently discussing Case and his issues.
I will start on another thread on that shortly.
Case may have his substance abuse issues under control for now but the compulsive behaviour will always be in play.
This is a person who while under the influence of whatever endangered the lives and livelihoods of everyone on the track and their families.
IMO HE DID NOT SERVE ANYTIME FOR THAT BEHAVIOUR.
If the sport was interested in doing the right thing there are other ways he can be employed in the business but NOT in the sulky.
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Being in the sulky sells tickets, that is the only way his situation creates any type of interest!
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Being in the sulky sells tickets, that is the only way his situation creates any type of interest!
Heaven forbid anything bad happens on the track if Case were allowed back.
The lawsuits that woulf dollow would surely end the sport.
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Heaven forbid anything bad happens on the track if Case were allowed back.
The lawsuits that woulf dollow would surely end the sport.
You worried about him stabbing the other drivers?
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You worried about him stabbing the other drivers?
If he were to have a training or racing accident and a human or equine life is lost.
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If he were to have a training or racing accident and a human or equine life is lost.
Tross that can happen to anyone at anytime in this business!
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Tross that can happen to anyone at anytime in this business!
I know that.And if he were to test positive afterwards ?
The lawyers would spin that like questioning" Why allow a convicted felon with substance abuse problems in that position ?
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How many top drivers have failed alcohol tests? And how many years did they not even have alcohol tests?
Hell I saw them pick a guy up out of the bike at Northfield after a race because he was too screwed up to stand up. Many, many times guys have failed breathalyzer tests and been told to come back and take them later. And I mean the very top name drivers at that time.
Driving on a track with Walter Case stoned out of his mind would be safer than driving with most drivers at nearly any track. He's just that good.
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How many top drivers have failed alcohol tests? And how many years did they not even have alcohol tests?
Hell I saw them pick a guy up out of the bike at Northfield after a race because he was too screwed up to stand up. Many, many times guys have failed breathalyzer tests and been told to come back and take them later. And I mean the very top name drivers at that time.
Driving on a track with Walter Case stoned out of his mind would be safer than driving with most drivers at nearly any track. He's just that good.
Well stated and the truth.
Not to name names, but many many many drove drunk more often then they did sober, and many were better drunk then sober. At Vernon it was a regular day to consume 6-12 beers before a card, many within the 45 minutes prior.
When they started testing go and blow clear and then hustle back to the barn and slam a 6 pack before going to the paddock for the night.
Case was one of hundreds if not thousands doing the same routine...
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I was actually in the paddock at the New York state fair at Syracuse one day in 1975 I believe, the day Silk Stockings raced. Nearly every driver there was carrying a beer in his hand in the paddock.
I've also known of many guys being allowed to drive because of their name, regardless of their state of sobriety. I will take their names to my grave, along with many other things I've known for many years.
This much I will admit: the outcome of many professional wrestling matches is predetermined.
8) ;)
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Come on guys. Drunk/high driving should go the way of single shaft sulkies and tie down harness. Our sport has to put forth an effort to give the betting public a fair shake. We have enough issues without allowing questionable trainers & drivers run over the wagering $$$$. Across the board regulations state to state could put this game on a whole different level. Add a commissioner over it all and get us all on the same page. If one driver/trainer is suspended in California he is suspended in Ohio & Pa. & NY & everywhere else. The states & racetracks are so concerned about losing a few $$$ and losing control that it is destroying our business one dime at a time.
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Come on guys. Drunk/high driving should go the way of single shaft sulkies and tie down harness. Our sport has to put forth an effort to give the betting public a fair shake. We have enough issues without allowing questionable trainers & drivers run over the wagering $$$$. Across the board regulations state to state could put this game on a whole different level. Add a commissioner over it all and get us all on the same page. If one driver/trainer is suspended in California he is suspended in Ohio & Pa. & NY & everywhere else. The states & racetracks are so concerned about losing a few $$$ and losing control that it is destroying our business one dime at a time.
I dont condone it, but it happened, moreso 15-35 years ago then in the past decade, but it was a reality.
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Amy's idea is somewhat interesting BUT if Walter knows he has 6 months probation, what will he do after his probation is up? How many chances do you give this guy!!!! Same as P. Val!! Is Walter going to be the one that goes in the way of a Chris Antley? The guy was one of the best TB jockey's until whoops cocaine and Chris love for it got the best of him. Michael Baze? TB jockey that won a riding crown in Ca. DEAD. Walter is treatmeant smart in that he KNOWS WHAT TO SAY TO MAKE HIM SOUND GOOD!!! Again how many times do you let him go? Wait I hear Walter said he REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY MEANS IT THIS TIME! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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First, it is Jeff Gural's racetrack. Like it or not, if he allows drivers who have been excluded at other tracks and persistent rule breaking convicts, while not accepting those guilty of being "flashy sob's" that is his choice and he is entitled to it.
I am torn. Walter is one of the two best I have ever seen on a half (Lew Williams the other). But how many chances does he deserve? I don't know the answer. And while foot out of the stirrup/kicking is a minor offense, it is still an offense that occurred repeatedly. He then failed to pay fines in a timely manner and was suspended. He also got hit with a failure to give effort on a Tye Loy horse (don't remember which, Sand something or another am sure) and received ten days.
Any license must be probationary or conditional for a set period of time. And would Walter (and the sport) not both be served better by having him start out at a smaller track? Just asking.
Finally, Walter can be absolutely charming, whether straight or stoned, and he can also be an absolute schmuck. That should not enter into the equation at all.
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Watched Walter for years at Yonkers when he was King of the Hill...would really love to see him and George Brennan go at it at the Hilltop. Remember the single hitch when it first came out Walter looked like a spaceman on in...so far back in the bike he looked like he was sleeping....no off color comments there guys....let the guy race..he did his time and deserves a break....go get em walter.......
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Watched Walter for years at Yonkers when he was King of the Hill...would really love to see him and George Brennan go at it at the Hilltop. Remember the single hitch when it first came out Walter looked like a spaceman on in...so far back in the bike he looked like he was sleeping....no off color comments there guys....let the guy race..he did his time and deserves a break....go get em walter.......
Sure he did his time BUT who did it to him?And again how many chances do you give this guy. Just because he says he is a "changed man"? I said it before and i'll say it again P Val, Walter are treatment smart. They know what to say. Eventually they fall off. (Loved it when P Val shaved off every hair of his body and head!! Like that wasn't going to send flags to the judges rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1)
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That haircutting was probably to keep under jockey-weight Puddy. rflmao1
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That haircutting was probably to keep under jockey-weight Puddy. rflmao1
AND he wanted to be aero-dynamically correct! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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AND he wanted to be aero-dynamically correct! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
No Mangina ???