I see Marks is still juicing Brainard's stock

[beans and weenies]

Gosh.  how old  are these guys posting? teenie boppers?   back in the day things were done that would make your hair stand on end. most of that has stopped thank goodness. the business is cleaner than it has ever been drug wise because of testing available today.  there will always be whining about juicing or sending a horse because lets face facts.  when you gamble you lose and when you lose you cry "cheaters or dopers " instead of poor handicapping or rotten luck.  Never either of those, it's those damn doping trainers or cheating drivers 

[cashman]

Juice is a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

[Headpole Dave]

Right on the Mark(s). The lowest type of slime there is going. Careful though, his buddy "javelina" will threaten to physically assault you.

[Bungalow Bill]

I've back what I say up with actual facts and figures which have been documented............all you have said is hearsay and rumor.

So you are basically saying horse trainers are so highly intelligent they can outsmart some of the most sophisticated labs and technicians in the world?
 
 

  These wonderfully sophisticated labs and techs couldn't even detect the over 1700 violations that Pena has.  These are known as threshold violations of "theraputic" drugs. And to think that he is the only one that got away with it for so long is staggering, yet ignorant.  Wonder why the Euros decided to race drug free, and we have not?  Umm...it's because our sport is already clean?

[Unknown]

Every time we get screwed by a longshot, my brother still says as a joke "they stuck a carrot up his ass". If u folks don't think there's cheating, then u don't live in America. It's a big part of our national pastime. Kinda like baseball.