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Title: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 30, 2012, 10:15:02 PM
Please note:
Images only placed temporarily.
Not all visitors will gain access.

I've selected three (two from the late-1950s and one from the late-1960s) of the five as newer images than last week.
With the exception of one, the rest remain difficult.

horseman? 001M

Person? 002M

location? 003M

horse and driver? 004M

horse? 005M

Good luck and thanks for looking,
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Just Saying on March 31, 2012, 05:42:12 AM
Apparently I'm one of those not allowed access. Too bad, I enjoy those.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 06:14:24 AM
Apparently I'm one of those not allowed access. Too bad, I enjoy those.

 Just,
          People are not targeted.
Machines and addresses are generalized in a configuration.

This directory is entirely different from the remainder of the website, which I know you've been getting into.

 Were you the Android user?
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Just Saying on March 31, 2012, 06:29:59 AM
No, just a standard pc. When I click on any of the links nothing at all happens. Oh well, it'll work out eventually. Thanks for the reply, Don.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 06:45:04 AM
Just,
        Links repaired.
This forum was inserting and additional http in the link.
I edited the links believing the duplication was my error and  the forum added them again,

 Works OK now.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Just Saying on March 31, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
I have 2 guesses, but they are only guesses:

#3 Location: Might be the entrance to The Hayes Mansion in DuQuoin,IL. It's right on the fairground, but was their family home, so they didn't want thousands of fairgoers to walk right up to the house. I've been in the Hayes Mansion a few times, but not when the Senior Hayes were still alive.

Last Photo: Reminds me of Melvin's Woe, but I don't remember if MW had a big blaze on his face.

As close as I can get.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 09:03:26 AM
I have 2 guesses, but they are only guesses:

#3 Location: Might be the entrance to The Hayes Mansion in DuQuoin,IL. It's right on the fairground, but was their family home, so they didn't want thousands of fairgoers to walk right up to the house. I've been in the Hayes Mansion a few times, but not when the Senior Hayes were still alive.

Wrong side of the country.


Last Photo: Reminds me of Melvin's Woe, but I don't remember if MW had a big blaze on his face.

Wrong side of the world.

Thanks for taking a stab.


Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Just Saying on March 31, 2012, 09:16:54 AM
Dang! I've been wrong before. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1

ps- don't ask my Bride about that.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: careless hal on March 31, 2012, 09:18:44 AM
person Fred Van Lennep?  looks sort of like him but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Just Saying on March 31, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
Wrong side of the world.

Thanks for taking a stab.
OK, with the hint, maybe Cardigan Bay?
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 10:35:57 AM
OK, with the hint, maybe Cardigan Bay?

Right continent ;)
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
person Fred Van Lennep?  looks sort of like him but I'm not sure.

Many thanks for stabbing Hal.

Unless you provide the photo #, I've no clue what photo your referring to?

 No pics of Mr. Van Lennep in this bunch.

Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 11:05:20 AM
horseman? 001M
Charmer Hi Le and George Beinhauer
George became a USTA Director and was an official at the Meadows later in life.
There was a 2002 HB's article on Rick Beinhauer, whom I'm assuming was a son.



Person? 002M
Gage Ellis
http://www.mi-harness.net/hof/0ef0.html#GEllis
http://www.mi-harness.net/SBreds/Memor80.html#Ellis

location? 003M
Josedale Arrow and Lyman Brusie (brother of Harry) at the entrance to the former Whitney estate (later W. E. Gilmour Estate) across from Saratoga Raceway.

Don't have a bio or even an obituary on Lyman Brusie.
The following excerpt from a 1971 HF&W:
"There's music at Historic, and it's live, courtesy of Lillian McEntire and her daughter, and their infield organ. Back when I was a child, it was the never-to-be-forgotten Howard Dayton, and his band, with their amazing repetoire, so extensive that every winning horse and driver was immediately greeted by a selection keyed to name, or home-state, or colors, or whatever. Any of you Historic oldtimers remember Lyman Brusie and "The Wearing of The Green"? That same great band (and I mean great) gave concerts in the Church Park weekly during the summer, and oftener during race meetings. I absorbed their music, along with quantities of home-made strawberry ice cream or shortcake, as did every child of my generation in Goshen. The park was lined with horses and carriages, pedestrians strolled (often hand in hand, yes, I do remember), and everybody applauded politely. There's still a band concert for race visitors in the park now and then, even a strawberry festival, and there's still hand in hand strolling. But the applause is a rather raucous blare of automobile horns. Blea-ehl


horse and driver? 004M
Wilmington and likely Harry Fitzpatrick, however I've a nagging memory that Del Miller drove Wilmington in some races. I've other pics of Wilmington and all are with Fitzpatrick in the bike.
Harry had many, many horses. Gene Sears, George Sholty and many others received early tutelage from Mr. Fitzpatrick.

horse? 005M
Paleface Adios
1973:
The 10-year-old champion Paleface Adios, who recently came out of retirement. was the star of the day when he established a new world record for 1000 meters. Paleface Adios recorded 1:11 9/10 for the distance which is equivalent to a mile in 1:56.3. The previous record of 1:122/1(1 was held by the French horse, Fakir Du Vivier (1977).

Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Dolfan on March 31, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
I was going to say that, Don.  rflmao1 rflmao1

Just love looking at some of those old photos & wondering how charming it must have been, especially the Whitney Estate.  This is one sport where things have indeed gone straight downhill.
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 11:13:55 AM
I was going to say that, Don.  rflmao1 rflmao1

Just love looking at some of those old photos & wondering how charming it must have been,

Course minimum wage back then was about 25 cents an hour ;)
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Dolfan on March 31, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
Course minimum wage back then was about 25 cents an hour ;)

Yeah, but you know how many hours the Whitneys had to put in at .25 an hour to afford that estate?  idunno
Title: Re: Sat Coffee Break 3-31
Post by: Wilderness on March 31, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Dolfan,
           I really didn't know anything of these "Whitney's" and set about google.

 It appears they had something to do with the "canal elevators" used for the Erie Canal.

The industries of Buffalo (http://archive.org/stream/industriesofbuff00hart/industriesofbuff00hart_djvu.txt)

The Buffalo that we recognize today is nothing close to what it was before prior to the opening of the St Lawrence Seaway.

Also some another reference (also late 1800s) where some Harvard/Yale Baseball games were held on the Whitney Estate in Saratoga. That reference mentions "the driving park".