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Title: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: pezz97 on March 07, 2012, 08:43:18 AM
Another wonderful Analysis From Darin


Race#6 Thurs



CAMERON CHIP

She was just too far back, stacked up behind dull cover and left with too much to do. Meittinis must get involved sooner.



Dull Cover??? The horse she was behind, while sitting 3rd over, WON THE RACE!!! No Darin the cover wasn't dull, she gapped behind Definitely Mamie, let a horse slide out off the rail and then closed!! Just an IDIOT!!!
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: CyberChamp on March 07, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
 rflmao1

Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: JuiceJunkies on March 08, 2012, 04:41:03 PM
Darin loves racing and supplements his income nicely.   No need to bash him for potentially one bad comment is there?

He is a whale.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: mo doc n on March 08, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
Darin loves racing and supplements his income nicely.   No need to bash him for potentially one bad comment is there?

He is a whale.

I trust and value the analysis of Pezz more than Darin

What does "supplements his income nicely" mean?

He is in the public limelight he can be bashed.
He does think outside the box sometimes and it works but he is still a novice
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Hugh Jass on March 08, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
Darin loves racing and supplements his income nicely.   No need to bash him for potentially one bad comment is there?

He is a whale.

Are you actually telling someone not to bash someone ? You're a bigger jackoff then I thought.

Maybe Pezz  can post his home address or phone number or other places of employment ?  noway
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: JuiceJunkies on March 08, 2012, 06:20:48 PM
I trust and value the analysis of Pezz more than Darin

What does "supplements his income nicely" mean?

He is in the public limelight he can be bashed.
He does think outside the box sometimes and it works but he is still a novice

There are bigger fish in the public limelight needing to be bashed.   Darin is one the good guys who oozes love and passion for the game.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: JuiceJunkies on March 08, 2012, 06:22:11 PM
Are you actually telling someone not to bash someone ? You're a bigger jackoff then I thought.

Maybe Pezz  can post his home address or phone number or other places of employment ?  noway

It has already been done to Darin, hence why he is not on these forums any longer.   Guys were jealous, they hacked his accounts posted nonsense. 

Are you saying Pezz97 might have been behind or a contributor to this type of nonsense?
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: LVGaryD on March 08, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
It has already been done to Darin, hence why he is not on these forums any longer.   Guys were jealous, they hacked his accounts posted nonsense. 

Are you saying Pezz97 might have been behind or a contributor to this type of nonsense?
No one hacks accounts on ITS. Many have tried, all have failed. Matter of fact just this week some jackoff tried hacking our webhost again. They will be in a world of deep shit because ace-host is on to them.

 bowdown Ace-host  bowdown
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: JuiceJunkies on March 08, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
No one hacks accounts on ITS. Many have tried, all have failed. Matter of fact just this week some jackoff tried hacking our webhost again. They will be in a world of deep shit because ace-host is on to them.

 bowdown Ace-host  bowdown

Thanks for the security Gary.   
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Jeremy on March 08, 2012, 06:58:04 PM
It has already been done to Darin, hence why he is not on these forums any longer.   Guys were jealous, they hacked his accounts posted nonsense. 

Are you saying Pezz97 might have been behind or a contributor to this type of nonsense?

The best thing you could have done was to not use your plop name on here.  There probably still is a few good people on that site, (yonkers1 to name one) but your friend pigland is not one of them.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: JuiceJunkies on March 08, 2012, 07:26:10 PM
The best thing you could have done was to not use your plop name on here.  There probably still is a few good people on that site, (yonkers1 to name one) but your friend pigland is not one of them.

Let's not trash the site.   Pigland is my friend yes known him since 3rd grade.

This name is my barntowire name where I started my career and built up my fanbase.

The only forum I am not Juice is loserbrothersinlasvegas.com.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Jeremy on March 08, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
Let's not trash the site.   Pigland is my friend yes known him since 3rd grade.

This name is my barntowire name where I started my career and built up my fanbase.

The only forum I am not Juice is loserbrothersinlasvegas.com.

fanbase?  I can see being friends with people on a forum but not a fan of them.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: sea biscuit on March 08, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
No one hacks accounts on ITS. Many have tried, all have failed. Matter of fact just this week some jackoff tried hacking our webhost again. They will be in a world of deep shit because ace-host is on to them.

 bowdown Ace-host  bowdown

Gary I have to tell you that this guy Juice Junkies is bad news.

Just last week he posted some very personal information   of a good forum friend of mine at barn to wire who is also a member of this forum.

His personal bio data, place of work, home address and phone numbers the whole works.

Like i said he is bad news. Be aware.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: CyberChamp on March 08, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
Prior to Darin's current gig, he would sometimes pick winners that I didn't see coming.  I give him credit for reaching past the logical choices that most "on air" handicappers pick (let's face it, they just play it safe).

I think the problem is that one shouldn't ask the same person to create the morning line AND to suggest picks.  Even Brower had this problem.  To list a horse at 5-2 for all the logical reasons and then to pick a horse that is expected to be of longer odds (for fewer logical reasons) seems, quite frankly, illogical.

People would sometimes ask who Brower liked in a race and there were two answers to that: (1) look at the morning line that he established and (2) look at who he picked, which often contradicts the morning line.  Zoccali has the same challenge.

As popular as the Meadowlands is, I think they should use different people for the morning line oddsmaker and the race reviews.  There is a completely different thought process for being an oddsmaker vs. being a value finder.

As for Zoccali's comments...okay, he misses a piece of detail from time to time.  Sure I laugh at it, but I don't think it's harsh.  Unfortunately, his comments are posted on the Big M website and they are most likely listed in the on-track program.  With so many people reading his comments, it's important to get your details right...otherwise, he loses credibility with his readers.

No one is perfect.  Heck, what's harsh is when I kick myself at times for missing a critical piece of information that causes me to tear up my (electronic) tickets.  I make it a point, however, to not make the mistake again...as if that is even possible.   rflmao1

Is Darin good for the sport?  I strongly believe so.

Do I put a lot of weight on his insight?  Not as much as Brower, but sometimes he'll write something that I missed...and for that, I will glance over his race reviews.

Should they decouple the morning line oddsmaker from the race reviewer?  Absolutely.

 ;)

P.S.  Do I value insight from Pezz?  Absolutely!  He picks and chooses his spots and he has a nice slugging percentage when he has something to say.

 thumbsup 



Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: cashman on March 09, 2012, 04:40:08 AM
Anybody see last night where on the Big M live feed  one of their handicapppyers questioned his ml of a Burke horse in the 8th or 9th? Ml was 8/1 and horse went off at 9/5 i think. I just had to laugh.

 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Elgin on March 09, 2012, 04:55:40 AM
The question is, why has Gural chosen to show Brower the door and relegate Holly to a part-time role, while elevating Darin and Wendy Ross? For all the griping folks did about Dave, he handled the handicapping part of the job pretty well, and his upbeat on-air persona topped Darin
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: The Giss on March 09, 2012, 11:17:57 AM
Wendy worked for Gural previously and is being rewarded. Hollywood and Brower were "Manning'ed," if you will.
She was an intern with Bianconi and me and knows her stuff...she just needs to relax and slow down.
As to the ML and picks, as someone who has done both on occasion, it is easy to divorce the two. A morning line IS NOT AND IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE handicapping. It is a prediction of the off odds (or as some would say a prediction of the relationship of the off-time odds to each other). The ML is "handicapping the public's decisions."
As to missing stuff, ask Ayers (and I agree) we all miss(ed) stuff or transpose horses in our notes for program comments. Ayers and Darin at least have the excuse of calling the race, so they may not be concentrating on their future comments. Mine was usually having Winthrop +5 against UNC-Asheville. rflmao1
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: AmyHollar on March 09, 2012, 12:24:58 PM
fanbase?  I can see being friends with people on a forum but not a fan of them.

What?  ???


I need a moment to myself.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on March 09, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
Darrin is a good guy.

Everyone has opinions. Some love luck the show some hate it.

Maybe his presentation is a bit lacking now. But Remember he just starting.

Everyone and everything starts sometime and somewhere.
And they get better usually.

I never really cared for Browers selections and comments.
although when I met him and spoke to him he was a good guy.

All opinions. But Darrin is a nice guy and in general people like him are good for the sport.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: pezz97 on March 09, 2012, 03:27:36 PM
fanbase?  I can see being friends with people on a forum but not a fan of them.
rflmao1 rflmao1  don't worry he has 2 broken arms for patting himself on the back for nothing
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: pezz97 on March 09, 2012, 03:28:20 PM
Are you actually telling someone not to bash someone ? You're a bigger jackoff then I thought.

Maybe Pezz  can post his home address or phone number or other places of employment ?  noway
thumbsup thumbsup only a scumbag like him would do that.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: AmyHollar on March 09, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Let's not trash the site.

This might be the most hysterically hypocritical statement ever made here.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: beans and weenies on March 09, 2012, 07:57:11 PM
Probably Sticking my neck out to get plastered with eggs........................................................but I like Wendy's handicapping.   ;D           but then of course i suck at gambling anyway.   rflmao1
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Elgin on March 09, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
Wendy can't go wrong: by the time she finishes her stream of consciousness spiel, she's picked every horse in the race.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: sea biscuit on March 10, 2012, 01:54:42 AM
The ML is "handicapping the public's decisions."

The ML guy hates a horse and thinks he should be at least 10-1.

But he also feels the public will love this horse and makes him the ML favorite.

Is that how it works?
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Hugh Jass on March 10, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
thumbsup thumbsup only a scumbag like him would do that.

We know 2 people who have done that and calling either a scumbag would definitely complement them.

I do enjoy watching this leopard try to change his spots to fit in here tho.  noway

I know one place he does fit in though perfectly and I wish he'd stay there.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Hugh Jass on March 10, 2012, 07:45:32 AM
Probably Sticking my neck out to get plastered with eggs........................................................but I like Wendy's handicapping.   ;D           but then of course i suck at gambling anyway.   rflmao1

I agree Beans  idunno She seems just as good as anyone else I've ever heard capping. So if the eggs

start flying stand behind me they'll never touch you  rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: pezz97 on March 10, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
We know 2 people who have done that and calling either a scumbag would definitely complement them.

I do enjoy watching this leopard try to change his spots to fit in here tho.  noway

I know one place he does fit in though perfectly and I wish he'd stay there.
thumbsup  people with a brain that actually works know that the leopard will never change his spots and is a total piece of shit
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Just Saying on March 10, 2012, 08:22:17 AM
thumbsup  people with a brain that actually works know that the leopard will never change his spots and is a total piece of shit

And I love it when a dumbass thinks he's clever, and the only one in the room who thinks that is him.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: The Giss on March 10, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
The ML guy hates a horse and thinks he should be at least 10-1.

But he also feels the public will love this horse and makes him the ML favorite.

Is that how it works?

That is how it is supposed to work, yes.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: Mr. B on March 10, 2012, 05:06:31 PM
Wendy worked for Gural previously and is being rewarded. Hollywood and Brower were "Manning'ed," if you will.

Absolutely, it's Wendi and Darin because of the pay grade, close to minimum wage.  :)
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: beans and weenies on March 10, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Thanks for getting my back HJ.   8)
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: tonyb147 on March 11, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
Wendy worked for Gural previously and is being rewarded. Hollywood and Brower were "Manning'ed," if you will.
She was an intern with Bianconi and me and knows her stuff...she just needs to relax and slow down.

After watching last night I have to agree. Not clueless by any means but she seems to ramble and ends up picking half the field. Just take a cue from Sam and pick one horse and stick with it.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: NIATROSS on March 11, 2012, 06:49:21 PM
After watching last night I have to agree. Not clueless by any means but she seems to ramble and ends up picking half the field. Just take a cue from Sam and pick one horse and stick with it.

Agree with the rambling part but still looks very nervous to me.
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: LVGaryD on March 11, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
I think Wendy has a serious career ahead in journalism. It takes a long time for people to get comfortable in front of a camera or even behind a mic.

Her handicapping may be suspect, but she is actually very pleasant to watch.  thumbsup

Her dad could never handicap either.  rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: Seriously Does this guy Watch the races?
Post by: pezz97 on March 12, 2012, 10:47:57 AM
Wendy can't go wrong: by the time she finishes her stream of consciousness spiel, she's picked every horse in the race.
Absolutely correct