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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Wilderness on July 23, 2015, 01:22:48 AM
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Gary,
Not sure if you may help or not.
I'm trying (in vain) to recall the name a hole-in the-wall joint on the strip in 87.
On the same side of the street as Flamingo and Imperial Palace, however further towards town. Ceasers was open across the street then, however only signs existed in an open field promoting the Mirage.
My recollection as follows.
On the corner (across from the former-fire-MGM) was Barberry Coast.
Next was the Flamingo
Next was Imperial Palace
Next Holiday Inn
and next was the hole in the wall joint.
You had to cross some little bridge and small pond/stream to get in the joint.
I was trying to get the dice-working-flowing and coordinating my hands with my mind (good luck with that).
Covered most every casino improving along the way.
Hit this joint in the wee hours and most of the place was empty.
About half-a-dozen guys shooting craps on on end of a table. Staff wouldn't let me join at the same end, rather made me go to the opposite and alone-end.
These guys were building up the hard-ways by adding a quarter (25-cents) at a time, in an attempt build their pocket.
They weren't too happy when I laid real cash on the table and seven-out a couple of time. Didn't stay long, and never went back.
Any idea?
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I assume that would have been the Casino Royale. That is about where it is today.
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Was it perhaps called Nob Hill then?
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Was it perhaps called Nob Hill then?
Yes. The former Nob Hill casino is now known as Casino Royale.
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Yes. The former Nob Hill casino is now known as Casino Royale.
Casino Royale - home of White Castle and the best Fireball shots.
yeahbabydrinkingguy
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Casino Royale - home of White Castle and the best Fireball shots.
yeahbabydrinkingguy
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Believe it or not, I have not gone in there to get any White Castles since they opened there. I just don't like the place, plus it is so inconvenient to get to.
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Yes. The former Nob Hill casino is now known as Casino Royale.
When I was there in '87, it was very small and rather dumpy. Although, I'm sure it catered to a different clientele.
However even than (perhaps still) the horse parlor at Flamingo didn't offer any video and still had the old chalk boards ;)
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When I was there in '87, it was very small and rather dumpy. Although, I'm sure it catered to a different clientele.
However even than (perhaps still) the horse parlor at Flamingo didn't offer any video and still had the old chalk boards ;)
That part of things has changed immensely with the advent of the information era. Great big screens, beautiful tote boards, as well as a private screen on each bettor's desk.
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My first visit to Vegas was 1987. Back then The Stardust had the best sports book. Huge "state of the art" projection tv's stacked everywhere.
rflmao1
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Is there anybody here that shoots craps in Vegas (frequently) that could provide some insight on table procedures?
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How about a craps dealer or supervisor? We might be able to answer your questions. rflmao1
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I found this out a long time ago: When you're the shooter, do NOT play the Don't Pass.
"Shooter on the Don't" idunno
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Is there some routine as to the times that new dice are rotated?
Twice a day, three times a day?
Specific hours?
Is there any frequency as to when the felts are replaced?
Are there any casinos that are using non-felt surfaces (i. e., vinyl)?
Are most casinos using twelve foot tables?
Are some using 14's or 16's (if so which ones)?
In Vegas, what are the rules for employee's gambling where they work?
In the Detroit casinos' once your off the clock, your not allowed at all where you work?
In the Northern Mich (Indian casinos-much smaller) employees are only allowed specific games (no table games except open poker), and slots.
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Are there Vegas Junkets that are not generally advertised?
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I found this out a long time ago: When you're the shooter, do NOT play the Don't Pass.
"Shooter on the Don't" idunno
That depends on how good you skill is at throwing the numbers (points) and sevens as you desire?
If you have no skill at separating the two techniques, than you've no business shooting (pass the dice).
However the craps world is not perfect and no matter how good your technique, there are going to be time when the dice 'get away from you'.
I've seen guy make BIG money playing the DONT when new dice are rotated. Personally, I can't shoot worth a shit with new dice (even if the felt is worn out; other may though and not be any good with old dice (that have been in play)).
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Dice are changed once a day,usually when the game goes dead. The layout is changed when it gets dirty or there is some type of accident on it.
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Is there some routine as to the times that new dice are rotated?
Twice a day, three times a day?
Specific hours?
Is there any frequency as to when the felts are replaced?
Are there any casinos that are using non-felt surfaces (i. e., vinyl)?
Are most casinos using twelve foot tables?
Are some using 14's or 16's (if so which ones)?
In Vegas, what are the rules for employee's gambling where they work?
In the Detroit casinos' once your off the clock, your not allowed at all where you work?
In the Northern Mich (Indian casinos-much smaller) employees are only allowed specific games (no table games except open poker), and slots.
Generally dice are changed every shift, unless one gets chipped. If the table loses a lot of money, the dice are also changed in some casinos when the game goes dead so the dice can be examined.
Some casinos have long tables, some have one person tubs. I know Caesars tables used to be shorter than the Horseshoe tables, but I never measured any of them.
We cannot gamble where we work, with the exception of machines. I believe the max payout on the machines we are allowed to play are $10,000 for the highest jackpot.
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Are there Vegas Junkets that are not generally advertised?
I don't think there are junkets any longer.
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The smaller Indian Casinos here don't run the tables 24/7.
Two places open the tables at 6 & 7 PM and Run until 2:30 (New Dice when table opens)
Two other (bit larger) open at Noon and 1-PM and run until the tables slows (at one, and on an off night, I've seen them close their only table as early as 10PM).
The largest runs 24/7, however they rotate tables and switch dice twice daily. Two tables are open for 1.5 shifts, and rarely is the 3rd and 4th tables open simultaneously.
The smaller Indian casinos are generally under-staffed, especially on weekends when they are required to rotate some staff from craps to card tables.
Are the shift change times consistent at most casinos in Vegas?
What time is the graveyard shift?
Impossible for me to imagine shooting on one-person-tub (8-foot table).
In Detroit, I've seen as many as six tables open at once (usually after a sporting event). I've been told they rotate new dice at shift changes, however have not been there in some time and was not attentive to such things when I was there last.
FWIW, when asking these types of questions at a casino the replies are dependent upon whether the staff knows you or not (also your amount of play), however when the staff doesn't know you the result is a general policy reply (too vague).
Many thanks for the replies.
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I know Caesars tables used to be shorter than the Horseshoe tables, but I never measured any of them.
Gary,
If your a 'shooter', than you don't have to measure them.
One look and your able to see the difference.
A couple of rolls and you may feel the difference.
Standard tables are 12's. 16's look massive.
On 16's most shooters are generally required to land the dice short of the COME print. If I land the dice in that spot they clear the rail (on the fly) by a good two feet.
One Indian casino here with a 16-ft table uses a double felt. It's like the damned cushion on a couch. I'm unable to keep the dice on the table at all. Staff says 'your required to throw very soft', however I will not shoot absent follow-through. (It's the shittest casino around here anyway).
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Most casinos have double covered tables, or at least some serious padding underneath the cover. Some out here even have slight wedges under the felt to force the dice to roll more randomly.
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I've only seen the one Indian casino with padding. You may actually push your finger into the felt and feel the depth.
In Apr or May, one of the Detroit casinos changed their tables and covers. I'm inclined to believe it was padded as, and I didn't care for the dice reaction upon landing.
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Initially I didn't care the vinyl covered table, however and after it'd been in use for some while had good and very-long come-out rolls.
When a die lands, it actually pokes a visible and feel-able hole in the vinyl. I'm sure something similar happens on felt (especially with new/sharp dice), however it's just not as noticeable.
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I realize this thread is severely off-topics in this horse forum, however was looking for feedback from Vegas folks.
My apologies.
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Apologize for what? It's not like there is a hell of a lot of discussion about horses going g on here anymore.
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Apologize for what? It's not like there is a hell of a lot of discussion about horses going g on here anymore.
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rflmao1
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FWIW here's a site where you customize your days, hotel, departure and arrival (http://www.lasvegas.com/hotels/air-and-hotel-packages/)
It takes some tinkering to determine heavy traffic days for both hotels and airlines.
Cheapest rates are with lesser airlines.
I'm sure there are other similar sites.
In 87, did all my own booking and bought a package from Vegas World (found the pkg one either the LV Chamber or some other website), where they gave me quite a bit of free-play tokens for staying there. My recollection is it was like $400 per booked person on the gaming tables and $200 on slots.
Any casinos do anything similar these days?
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Not that I know of, unless there is some dump like Vegas World I don't know about. If you have a players card you usually get some free play based on your bets. To get $400 you would need to bet $500 a roll I would guess. If you bet that much you can get free rooms and food also. If I were to play craps doubt I'd bet more than $20 a roll--unless on a hot streak!!
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Not that I know of, unless there is some dump like Vegas World I don't know about.
hal,
It was a dump, however I won enough off of their table free-play (using my own money for the free-odds) (their table free-play was limited to one to one bets), to cover the air-fare and rooms for the trip.
Stayed there three nights and after my guest departed, moved up the street to Flamingo for the remainder of the trip.
Flamingo had somebody from the pit chasing me out the door requesting that I sign up for everything.
They sent me mailers for Craps Tournaments (despite three address changes) for more than ten years.