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Title: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: careless hal on December 20, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
"I will say that there
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: sallyjo on December 20, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
Its a start in the correct direction!
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: The Giss on December 20, 2011, 04:51:23 PM
By what criteria?
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: AmyHollar on December 20, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: The Giss on December 20, 2011, 04:51:23 PM
By what criteria?
thumbsup
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: sea biscuit on December 20, 2011, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: careless hal on December 20, 2011, 04:17:01 PM
"I will say that there
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: Wilderness on December 20, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
Lifetime suspensions for Class XX infractions ;)
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: Just Saying on December 20, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: Wilderness on December 20, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
Lifetime suspensions for Class XX infractions ;)
I want to agree with that whole-heartedly, since I've raced against crooked chemists before that robbed food off my table. But no trainer can be with every horse 24/7/365 and it is incredibly easy to set someone up by slipping a forbidden substance to a horse with a little 'treat'. It would be a damn shame to end an honest trainer's career over something like that... and you're still stuck with the crook that perpetrated it.

I don't have the perfect answer, but I would love to have the crooks out of racing so the honest people could thrive.
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: newandimproved on December 20, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
What determines a crook ?   One positive, two...three.... etc, ???
Previous suspensions ?
What ?

Is a past track record relevant and germane to those decisions ?
What ????
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: newandimproved on December 20, 2011, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: newandimproved on December 20, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
What determines a crook ?   One positive, two...three.... etc, ???
Previous suspensions ?
What ?

Is a past track record relevant and germane to those decisions ?
What ????
Kesmodel, Anderson, Fusco(presently suspended)  ????
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: Just Saying on December 20, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
Quote from: newandimproved on December 20, 2011, 09:15:19 PM
What determines a crook ?   One positive, two...three.... etc, ???
Previous suspensions ?
What ?

Is a past track record relevant and germane to those decisions ?
What ????
Well... I said I didn't have the answer.

It's a lot easier for me to train & race 1 or 2 horses out of an off-track facility, with only my Bride and I taking care of them, to make sure there aren't any problems.(I've never had a positive in my career) But Erv Miller has 200 head scattered from Canada to Florida. There are a million things that can go wrong, and the new testing labs can pick up parts per billion of stuff that couldn't possibly affect a horses performance.(like if someone taking blood pressure med pees in the stall)

I'm all for burning the cheaters, I just don't want an honest trainer to be unjustly banned because of an arbitrary rule that doesn't consider all the factors.
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: sea biscuit on December 20, 2011, 10:54:39 PM
Quote from: newandimproved on December 20, 2011, 09:25:23 PM
Kesmodel, Anderson, Fusco(presently suspended)  ????

The list is long and I am sure Gural will have his hands full going through it with his magnifying glass.

Joseph S. Anderson: 2 year suspension and $5,000 fine
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: Wilderness on December 20, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Wilderness on December 20, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
Lifetime suspensions for Class XX infractions ;)

Quote from: Just Saying on December 20, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
I want to agree with that whole-heartedly, since I've raced against crooked chemists before that robbed food off my table. But no trainer can be with every horse 24/7/365 and it is incredibly easy to set someone up by slipping a forbidden substance to a horse with a little 'treat'. It would be a damn shame to end an honest trainer's career over something like that... and you're still stuck with the crook that perpetrated it.

I don't have the perfect answer, but I would love to have the crooks out of racing so the honest people could thrive.

Just,
         It was a joke ;)  (haha)
Title: Re: Gural says no Cheaters welcomed at the BigM
Post by: Just Saying on December 21, 2011, 06:03:05 AM
Quote from: Wilderness on December 20, 2011, 11:53:58 PM
Just,
         It was a joke ;)  (haha)
Oops... didn't catch it. Sorry.