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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: CyberChamp on July 26, 2014, 10:04:51 AM

Title: Heat Racing
Post by: CyberChamp on July 26, 2014, 10:04:51 AM
With the Hambo just around the corner, wanted to get your thoughts on heat racing.  Comments appreciated.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 26, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
I enjoy it... The races were designed to reward speed AND stamina, and too many bleeding hearts tend to forget that!
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: LVGaryD on July 26, 2014, 01:51:37 PM
I enjoy it... The races were designed to reward speed AND stamina, and too many bleeding hearts tend to forget that!
Totally agree.  thumbsup thumbsup
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: NIATROSS on July 26, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
I enjoy it... The races were designed to reward speed AND stamina, and too many bleeding hearts tend to forget that!

agreed.

the need for speed has ruined both breeds.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: CyberChamp on July 26, 2014, 04:35:19 PM
From a wagering perspective, a 2nd heat rarely gives you anything of value; I avoid betting on it.

From a fan perspective, it does nothing for me.  I'd prefer to have elims the previous week so that the anticipation can build for the final.  Also, I don't care for horses running against each other more than once in a day; watching a horse beat the same bunch more than once is redundant.

Imagine if the Kentucky Derby were run in heats.   noway
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: LVGaryD on July 26, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
From a wagering perspective, a 2nd heat rarely gives you anything of value; I avoid betting on it.

From a fan perspective, it does nothing for me.  I'd prefer to have elims the previous week so that the anticipation can build for the final.  Also, I don't care for horses running against each other more than once in a day; watching a horse beat the same bunch more than once is redundant.

Imagine if the Kentucky Derby were run in heats.   noway
The same horse often does not win both heats.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: pezz97 on July 26, 2014, 06:01:33 PM
From a wagering perspective, a 2nd heat rarely gives you anything of value; I avoid betting on it.

From a fan perspective, it does nothing for me.  I'd prefer to have elims the previous week so that the anticipation can build for the final.  Also, I don't care for horses running against each other more than once in a day; watching a horse beat the same bunch more than once is redundant.

Imagine if the Kentucky Derby were run in heats.   noway
thumbsup thumbsup
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: LVGaryD on July 26, 2014, 06:51:02 PM
The one thing that separates standardbreds and thoroughbreds is the fact that standardbreds were made to go heats. Secretariat would likely have gotten beat if he had to go heats.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: pezz97 on July 26, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
The one thing that separates standardbreds and thoroughbreds is the fact that standardbreds were made to go heats. Secretariat would likely have gotten beat if he had to go heats.
rflmao1 rflmao1


The standardbred might of been made to go heats back in the 70's but not anymore.

Heat racing sucks
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: LVGaryD on July 26, 2014, 07:54:56 PM
rflmao1 rflmao1


The standardbred might of been made to go heats back in the 70's but not anymore.

Heat racing sucks
I don't buy it. The good trainers certainly have no problem getting them to go two heats. Go to Lexington or Delaware and watch them.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: pezz97 on July 26, 2014, 08:52:14 PM
I have and then the rest of the year they are not the same. Times have changed.

Rock N Roll Heaven is the only horse I can remember that after racing the jug ( In the last 10 years) that actually went on to win big races after. All the rest weren't close in the breeders crown.

Shit Vegas Vacation hasn't stepped foot on the track yet this year and won't till next year. Yeah that is worth racing heats to owners....
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: careless hal on July 26, 2014, 10:19:27 PM
It is a relic of the past.  Times have changed.  How many trainers today have never raced a horse in heats?
There are now so few heat races that it really is an aberration.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: RocknRoll on July 27, 2014, 12:32:02 AM
I have and then the rest of the year they are not the same. Times have changed.

Rock N Roll Heaven is the only horse I can remember that after racing the jug ( In the last 10 years) that actually went on to win big races after. All the rest weren't close in the breeders crown.

Shit Vegas Vacation hasn't stepped foot on the track yet this year and won't till next year. Yeah that is worth racing heats to owners....

Well Said was awesome in the two heats of the Jug, never the same after.

I agree with Champ on this one, as a better I couldn't care less for heats. You win the heats, you draw the inside posts and one you most likely wins. It's not like a horse finishes 3rd in the first heat and he comes back stronger from post 7 and upsets. It's normally a boring race with zero betting interest which isn't what you should want.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: beans and weenies on July 27, 2014, 06:47:02 AM
Well Said was awesome in the two heats of the Jug, never the same after.

I agree with Champ on this one, as a better I couldn't care less for heats. You win the heats, you draw the inside posts and one you most likely wins. It's not like a horse finishes 3rd in the first heat and he comes back stronger from post 7 and upsets. It's normally a boring race with zero betting interest which isn't what you should want.

 thumbsup
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: The Skipper on July 27, 2014, 08:42:07 AM
From a wagering perspective, a 2nd heat rarely gives you anything of value; I avoid betting on it.

From a fan perspective, it does nothing for me.  I'd prefer to have elims the previous week so that the anticipation can build for the final.  Also, I don't care for horses running against each other more than once in a day; watching a horse beat the same bunch more than once is redundant.

Imagine if the Kentucky Derby were run in heats.   noway

I have and then the rest of the year they are not the same. Times have changed.

Rock N Roll Heaven is the only horse I can remember that after racing the jug ( In the last 10 years) that actually went on to win big races after. All the rest weren't close in the breeders crown.

Shit Vegas Vacation hasn't stepped foot on the track yet this year and won't till next year. Yeah that is worth racing heats to owners....

It is a relic of the past.  Times have changed.  How many trainers today have never raced a horse in heats?
There are now so few heat races that it really is an aberration.

Well Said was awesome in the two heats of the Jug, never the same after.

I agree with Champ on this one, as a better I couldn't care less for heats. You win the heats, you draw the inside posts and one you most likely wins. It's not like a horse finishes 3rd in the first heat and he comes back stronger from post 7 and upsets. It's normally a boring race with zero betting interest which isn't what you should want.

 thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup Hey Gary turn your calender pages, this is 2014 not 1914  noway
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: LVGaryD on July 27, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
Racing heats does not hurt horses at all. The top real trainers in the sport don't mind it at all because they actually condition their horses. Any trainer who says heat racing harms their horses obviously does not have their horses in very good shape.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: CyberChamp on July 28, 2014, 05:19:06 PM
The thought of "best 2 out of 3" just doesn't do it for me with racing.

It certainly meant something back in the day, but I'm not so sure it does anymore.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: MichiganDale on July 29, 2014, 08:29:09 AM
Some love em' some hate em', me I really enjoy the Heat Racing.    Judging by the poll results in this thread its pretty much even up.
Title: Re: Heat Racing
Post by: CyberChamp on July 29, 2014, 05:29:58 PM
Hambo: One race for all the glory...like it should be!

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