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General Category => Thoroughbreds => Topic started by: NIATROSS on April 27, 2014, 09:45:23 AM
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Who do you like ?
I am not sold on CC or anyone else for that matter.
IMO it is the most wide open Derby field I have ever seen.
Too many disappointments on track or out with injuries.
I was kinda glad to see Baffert get dq'd last night at CD.
Going to wait for the draw first before tossing anyone completely out.Whoever draws post #1 will be the 1st tossout.
GOOD LUCK WITH WHO EVER YOU PICK TO WIN IT.
THE CHALK IS GOING TO BE 6 -1 OR BETTER.
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Tross no chance CC is 6 to 1. Thinking 3/1 to 4to 1. Agree it's wide open. I like CC so he is a throw out.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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I think California Chrome is a big favorite in terms of a Derby favorite. There are like 5 horses I couldn't possibly bet, and the rest all look way too similar. None of the top horses survived the year to make this race and we're left with a bunch of question marks. I'll say CC with a good draw is 2/1 favorite, and I'll be trying to beat him.
BTW...that dq at Churchill last night sucked, cost me a $2 pick 4. 4pezz2 4pezz2 4pezz2
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I think California Chrome is a big favorite in terms of a Derby favorite. There are like 5 horses I couldn't possibly bet, and the rest all look way too similar. None of the top horses survived the year to make this race and we're left with a bunch of question marks. I'll say CC with a good draw is 2/1 favorite, and I'll be trying to beat him.
BTW...that dq at Churchill last night sucked, cost me a $2 pick 4. 4pezz2 4pezz2 4pezz2
Ouch. Thought it was the right call though. Thought the 10 was gonna catch em both.
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I don't see California Chrome being less than 5-2 unless he draws a great post and the track is lightning fast and favoring speed.
It's gonna be a crazy weather week so if it comes up sloppy like last year, he may still be the favorite albeit at a higher price.
But he probably won't be 5-1/2 to 1 like Orb was because it was more of an even field compared to this year's crop.
Let's see what happens in the next couple of days with new developments and the PP draw.
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Orb was like 5 or 6 to 1 last year.
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Early Forecast For Friday and Saturday In Louisville
Friday 62 Cloudy
Saturday 69 and partly Sunny. No Rain as of now.
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Orb was 5/1 last year, but there was also Revolutionary, Verrazano, Itsmyluckyday, Goldencents, Normandy Invasion, Vyjack....after California Chrome you could have had Shared Belief, Cairo Prince, Honor Code, Top Billing, New Year's Day, Constitution, but none of them are here. Bayern and Social Inclusion could have drawn some attention if they won their grade 1's and failed....so who does this leave for the public to fall in love with? Dance With Fate and Medal Count want synthetic, We Miss Artie wants turf or synthetic, Harry's Holiday wants some claimers. These are 4 horses I'll toss no matter where they draw. Ring Weekend would have been my fifth early toss but he's out...
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I'm kinda mixed about the Derby. I would like to see CC win just for the trainer, BUT the owners? NOPE. It's hard enough just winning a race. Don't go out and tell the world CC is going to win. Now on another note: if I were Steve Asmusson, I would go nutso on the Derby Oaks. I mean Peta had racing officials on his ass, so I would make a bigg issue about his filly not being able to get into the Derby.
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The nerve of these people to have so much confidence in their horse that they expect him to win with a clean trip. How dare them ::)
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The nerve of these people to have so much confidence in their horse that they expect him to win with a clean trip. How dare them ::)
That's where we are different. When I bowled I never bragged about bowling even if I was bowling against a guy that was on the tour. What happened? I kicked his ass. I shot a 774 and he shot a 640. After that the guy always had good things to say. I ALWAYS got up if someone said something negative about me. Even when I had my horses, I never bragged about them. At the end, I told my trainers, drivers, that if we won a race, I would take them out to dinner in the flats. Just me I guess but to each it's own.
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That's where we are different. When I bowled I never bragged about bowling even if I was bowling against a guy that was on the tour. What happened? I kicked his ass. I shot a 774 and he shot a 640. After that the guy always had good things to say. I ALWAYS got up if someone said something negative about me. Even when I had my horses, I never bragged about them. At the end, I told my trainers, drivers, that if we won a race, I would take them out to dinner in the flats. Just me I guess but to each it's own.
You obviously don't know a damn thing about me which is just fine....all I'm saying is if you are racing a horse in the Derby, you better think that horse has a shot at winning or you shouldn't be there. And I really doubt the other horses are going to get up and race better because of what an owner said...smh
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You obviously don't know a damn thing about me which is just fine....all I'm saying is if you are racing a horse in the Derby, you better think that horse has a shot at winning or you shouldn't be there. And I really doubt the other horses are going to get up and race better because of what an owner said...smh
i agree with the comment about an owner thinking he has a shot before entering.
imo over the yrs there are far too many who have had no shot from groovy and zabaleta to trinniberg.
once they started filling gate with 20 horses there are 4-5 in there who you will never hear from again.
too many owners with 2 much money just want to be in the race.
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i agree with the comment about an owner thinking he has a shot before entering.
imo over the yrs there are far too many who have had no shot from groovy and zabaleta to trinniberg.
once they started filling gate with 20 horses there are 4-5 in there who you will never hear from again.
too many owners with 2 much money just want to be in the race.
exactly, do you REALLY think that the jocks don't play games!!! remember Espinoza and Gomez in the Santa Anita Derby? I would think if a jock knows he is not going anywhere and he wants to get back at someone, then he will. I mean it's got to be really flagrant to call in a jock with 20 horses. As tross correctly says, too many people with $$$$$$. I've always said don't make waves until after you win, then you can say anything you want to and people can't say shit about what you done. Again that is just me.
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speaking of Gomez, where is he?
haven't seen him in a while.
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speaking of Gomez, where is he?
haven't seen him in a while.
last that was said was that he was going through with a divorce. does it mean he went back out and started using. I hope not. would like to see him come back but sober. how many chances did p val get
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Intense Holiday for scumbag trainer Todd is my pick at this point. yeahbabydrinkingguy yeahbabydrinkingguy yeahbabydrinkingguy yeahbabydrinkingguy yeahbabydrinkingguy
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Baddest scratched hoppertunity this morning. Bruised foot.
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I know you guys are dying for my Derby pick this year, trying for a third straight winner. As soon as I find my special dart I'll post my pick. rflmao1
Looking forward to watching the race with the pezz family, and hopefully a bunch of the ITS crew. thumbsup
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I know you guys are dying for my Derby pick this year, trying for a third straight winner. As soon as I find my special dart I'll post my pick. rflmao1
Looking forward to watching the race with the pezz family, and hopefully a bunch of the ITS crew. thumbsup
good luck to all that is playing.
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Anyone have a link to free Derby PPs?
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Samraat lilcheerleader
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betting is about value and so TVG was giving people that bet CC 4-1 odds. it lasted what a hour. you know CC will go off about 2-1 or 5-2
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Anyone have a link to free Derby PPs?
http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=CD&race=11¶m1=3740¶m2=204¶m3=1484318
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True to my Derby form, I liked hoppertunity (as posted in another thread).
I like Dance With Fate on top of
Danza, Cali Chrome, Wicked Strong and Intense Holiday
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I have it down to 5 horses who can win.
California Chrome is clearly the one to beat and he could be a freak.
I see value with Vicar's in Trouble and Candy Boy. VIT has the dreaded rail post but the only thing he's guilty of is being a Louisiana bred.
I started following Candy Boy 3 months ago and he clearly needed that race in the Santa Anita Derby vs. CC. The extra distance should benefit him.
With any kind of decent position, Intense Holiday should be chewing up ground in the stretch with Johnny V.
And with Santana back up, expect a better race from Tapiture.
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I like Dance With Fate and Medal Count and will use Danza, Ca Crome and Wicked Strong underneath
DWF has had 2 races on dirt, a fast closing 2nd in the Del Mar Futurity , where he ran by CA Chrome and Breeders Cup Juvenile were he got crushed out of the gate and still made a run to get up to the leaders at the top of the stretch on a speed favoring track that day only to fade to 8th. I think there will be plenty of speed to give DWF a shot to run by them.
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Noticed a lot of movement to DWF! The Trib guy made that his
Play. So far, I have an 8 horse box. Still won 't win!
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Went with CC over Danza Samraat amid intense holiday. Wheeled CC and Intense Holiday up and down in exactas.
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derby #13 chitu
r#8 p4 235/24910/12710/513
down to for the 4 5 8 13 15 18 for the derby
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#20 Wicked Strong
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C Chrome has looked too consistent..good trip should win it..using with Medal Count,Commanding Curve,and Wicked strong
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Danza to win it, over California Chrome, Wicked Strong, Intense Holiday, Chitu and Ride on Curlin.
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derby #13 chitu
r#8 p4 235/24910/12710/513
down to for the 4 5 8 13 15 18 for the derby
Nice hit Tross.
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C Chrome has looked too consistent..good trip should win it..using with Medal Count,Commanding Curve,and Wicked strong
He won the same way he won the SA..lay on the outside and just accelerate away..I'm happy for the per but didnt realize Wicked Strong got up for fourth..first, second and fourth..what else is new 4pezz2
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Nice hit Tross.
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Nice hit Tross.
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Was there with you, just a little different ticket. I singled Wise Dan. that 10 was really good against him
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Nice capping Niatross! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup