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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Elgin on August 01, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
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Which colt is better, Time To Roll or Kingcole?
TTR has the money crown with three wins and two seconds in seven 2012 starts, good for about $480,000. He was second in the NA Cup, won the $150,000 NJSS Final over A Rocknroll Dance, won his Classic elimination last week at 1/5 and beat Kingcole in a Jersey SS prelim earlier in the year.
Kingcole, on the other hand, has made three more starts and has four wins, good for $130,000. He finished out in his NA Cup elimination and had the same result in his Pace elimination. He equaled the WR for a three-year-old on a 5/8 track when he won his Hempt elimination in 48.1, but he finished out in the final. He won a NJSS prelim and qualified for the final, but went to the Rooney instead, where he finished third. He won the Pace consolation in 47.3. He won his recent Classic elimination in 48.3.
Time To Roll lays over Kingcole when it comes to money, but he can
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Kingcole is faster.
Time To Roll is a better race horse.
If I had to choose one to put in my stable, I'd take Kingcole because of his speed and potential to break the 146.4 race record.
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On the other hand, the speed mark is only of value if you can turn it into money as a breeder. Kingcole was a $10,000 yearling by Cam
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Kingcole is faster.
Time To Roll is a better race horse.
If I had to choose one to put in my stable, I'd take Kingcole because of his speed and potential to break the 146.4 race record.
As an O/T/D I would have to pick Time To Roll. I'd rather have the long-term money than the record. High speed, early breakdown horses don't appeal to me. I'd rather have one like Won The West that just keeps going like The Energizer Bunny.
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As an O/T/D I would have to pick Time To Roll. I'd rather have the long-term money than the record. High speed, early breakdown horses don't appeal to me. I'd rather have one like Won The West that just keeps going like The Energizer Bunny.
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Sometimes that speed just doesn
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Every Steady Star I was ever around was completely nutso. Should have gelded him!
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Between TTR and HK, I would have to go with A Rocknroll Dance. rflmao1
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Kingcole is faster.
Time To Roll is a better race horse.
If I had to choose one to put in my stable, I'd take Kingcole because of his speed and potential to break the 146.4 race record.
Kingcole went for that record today. If he stays sound he'll get it. Wicked fast fractions.
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Kingcole went for that record today. If he stays sound he'll get it. Wicked fast fractions.
This was an attempt by a driver, knowing his horse has no heart/guts, to bottom out a field (Gary- a la Majestic Creed). It did not work out, but I will not fault the driver. The only way this horse sets the record is if he TT's, and even then, he may get passed by a prompter.
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I'd want the King but ONLY if I could have Pena down as trainer ;)
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Kingcole went for that record today. If he stays sound he'll get it. Wicked fast fractions.
TonyB, I have 2 words for you: Duneside Perch.
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One has speed, one has class. I'll take class. After being gutted, kole will take awhile to bounce back.
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Was Time To Roll even in the race yesterday?
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Was Time To Roll even in the race yesterday?
That was a sad performance by TTR. Miller left to maintain position in that 26.3 opening quarter, but he just followed along from there. The colt was seriously gapped around the last turn and looked spent down the stretch.
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I read this comment by Bob Pandolfo on Kingcole's race and thought it made sense, watching the race on a small screen, you can always tell everything.
"Hurricane Kingcole was not rushed, he was actually looped leaving by the winner, but once on the lead he fought Gingras all the way, totally uncontrollable. He didn
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I read this comment by Bob Pandolfo on Kingcole's race and thought it made sense, watching the race on a small screen, you can always tell everything.
"Hurricane Kingcole was not rushed, he was actually looped leaving by the winner, but once on the lead he fought Gingras all the way, totally uncontrollable. He didn
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Hal, I'd add that a driver cannot fight the horse the whole mile & expect the horse to have anything at all. The horse tires just from fighting!
To all who would rather have TTR: Would you change your mind if Kingcole had a trainer who figured out how to rate him?
These performances & lack of success everywhere but the timer fall directly on the shoulders of the trainer, not the driver. If he rates & then falters, he's undoubtedly an Its Fritz.
You are right on the money, Dolfan. If the trainer can't figure out how to make the horse controllable, the driver is screwed. I've been on both ends of it. Many with great speed are hard to control... that's when good trainers have to do the hard work. There's a reason why really good trainers thrive. (and have a hard time sleeping)l