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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Elgin on July 10, 2012, 02:18:56 PM
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The Massachusetts Gaming Commission has upheld a decision by the Board of Stewards/Judges to deny Walter Case Jr. a license to drive harness horses at Plainridge Racecourse.
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Good.
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Who?
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Who?
The guy that if he killed his exwife would still be in jail or in death row, but since she survived people want to welcome him back because he was a good driver.
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The Massachusetts Gaming Commission has upheld a decision by the Board of Stewards/Judges to deny Walter Case Jr. a license to drive harness horses at Plainridge Racecourse.
I wonder if they will still let him train horses?
The guy still has to try and make a living.
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Lots of jobs for janitors and fast food guys, or maybe he clean a few stalls.
Working with horses isn't a right, there's lot of other jobs he can be doing.
I don't have much sympathy for the guy, he's thrown away every chance he ever had. Fantastic driver, not a good human being.
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Lots of jobs for janitors and fast food guys, or maybe he clean a few stalls.
Working with horses isn't a right, there's lot of other jobs he can be doing.
I don't have much sympathy for the guy, he's thrown away every chance he ever had. Fantastic driver, not a good human being.
Agree completely on most of this but I say keep him away from women , he didn't try and stab a horse :-\
All to often former prisoners are never given a second chance , he was a popular driver in his time.
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I understand all the arguments to keep Case idle. Nevertheless, I was hoping to see him return.
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Tough call. He has no "right" to return. But, as has been said, if ex-cons arn"t ever given a chance to show they have been rehabilitated, the recidivism rate will be higher than it is now.
As for now, Case should accept his fate and concentrate on cleaning stalls or working on a farm.
His skills are not going to increase. He might be OK at a c or d track, but does anyone really think he could be a top driver at the BigM, Philly or Yonkers?
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Walter "Slasher" Case....sure, let him come back, he'd be great for our sport. rflmao1
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Tough call. He has no "right" to return. But, as has been said, if ex-cons arn"t ever given a chance to show they have been rehabilitated, the recidivism rate will be higher than it is now.
this goes beyond him being an ex con and the stabbing thing..... The years and hundreds of penalties he received and his disregard of officials probably played a part.
Everything he did in the business --- he couldn't help himself. The substance abuses / the kicking -- in the business the guy repeatedly couldn't help himself.
If he is in a place where he is not hurting himself or anyone else, that is where he needs to stay. He obviously is doing something to make a living, perhaps not what he was accustomed to but he is at least safe.
For people to call on his behalf to get back to driving is a little selfish as history will tell us he may return to old habits.
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I agree he has had enough chances. One thing his promoters keep throwing is your face is if race-fixers are allowed back in, why should he be kept out. Of course, several wrongs don't make a right.
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During the hearing Jeff Pocaro positioned Case in front of a table with his foot up and out in front of him. He then explained that, contrary to the popularly held belief that Case kicked horses, the hind quarters of the horse actually came back and struck Walter's foot. So the horses were hitting Case; he wasn't kicking them.
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During the hearing Jeff Pocaro positioned Case in front of a table with his foot up and out in front of him. He then explained that, contrary to the popularly held belief that Case kicked horses, the hind quarters of the horse actually came back and struck Walter's foot. So the horses were hitting Case; he wasn't kicking them.
This is actually correct. When at Nfld, most of his violations were "foot out of the stirrup," not "kickking."
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This is actually correct. When at Nfld, most of his violations were "foot out of the stirrup," not "kickking."
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Kicking is what I would do when I got kicked or bit by a horse. They knew this old fat boy kicks back when I got done with em.
"Thhhwwwwhhooooommmmmmpppp! Now stand up you son of a bitch", was a sound heard frequently at Northfield Park in the late 1960s- 1991.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 idunno noway
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Another point driven home was that the reason Case used his feet was that he hated to whip a horse.
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Wally's kicking fines were total bullshit. He brushed horse's hock with his foot... hardly abuse. Stabbing his ex-wife in the back with a steakknife is a totally different story.
I wish I had his driving ability, but I would never trade that for his demons.
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During the hearing Jeff Pocaro positioned Case in front of a table with his foot up and out in front of him. He then explained that, contrary to the popularly held belief that Case kicked horses, the hind quarters of the horse actually came back and struck Walter's foot. So the horses were hitting Case; he wasn't kicking them.
Another point driven home was that the reason Case used his feet was that he hated to whip a horse.
Wally's kicking fines were total bullshit. He brushed horse's hock with his foot... hardly abuse. Stabbing his ex-wife in the back with a steakknife is a totally different story.
This is all a load of horse shit!
We had a driver (RIP) in Michigan that had polio when he was young and wore and brace.
Frequently the judges would even fine him for not having his foot on the stirrups during the post parade.
He paid his fines and grimaced, because he was merely trying to relieve some of the pain in his leg.
Fifty lashes to me for mentioning Charlie Smith in the same thread as some putx whom has disgraced the sport.
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All the naysayers and bigmouthed experts need to shut up! Is Walter Case a saint? absolutely not! He WAS as druggie, bad person, terrible husband? all yes.....did he do his time, clean up his life, remarry and is apparently on the right track? yes to all....was he a great driver (maybe the best of all time)? yes again...so lets see....all yesses and no nays kinda looks like the yeas win. His current wife and life are all positive. In the interest of the sport he deserves another chance. How many tank jobs did Carmine, Herve, Buddy Gilmour, Jumpin Jack Flash Moshie, Billy O and the rest of the "Glamour Guys" put over at Yonkers and Roosevelt over the years? And now you have all the dopers running around from state to state "Stealing" from the bettors...no not the INSIDE GUYS who make the big dough but the little guys like myself who used to be at the track every night betting our 2 dollar exactas and 1 dollar trifecta boxes....Haven't been to the track in over 10 years because the plethora of $6 exactas and $50 trifectas aren't worth betting on....Give the guy a chance!
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Have to agree with you Wedgeclose. Give Walter a break. At least I never saw Walter slice or dice any horses. And to this day I think he was protecting himself when he stabbed his estranged wife....because she would kick nearly any dude's ass that I know.
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Wally's kicking fines were total bullshit. He brushed horse's hock with his foot... hardly abuse. Stabbing his ex-wife in the back with a steakknife is a totally different story.
I wish I had his driving ability, but I would never trade that for his demons.
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I agree that brushing a hock with a boot is better than cutting them up. I won't argue the rule needs to be looked at.
But the rule is clear, he was told over and over again (and fined and suspended), yet kept doing it. A serial violator. And let's be frank, if it was these violations (and even a couple lack of efforts) the NFLD judges gave him that were his only issues, he would have a license.
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Wedge, I got to respond, I knew Water when he was in diapers, and if you could have seen the upbringing he had it was a sin, what he did was not right, but with his ability it was second to none. I can only say this to all that read here Wedge has named a few names and I can attest to them plus many more, many a time I took money to Roosevelt for a Dancer whom I wont name, but lets just lighten up on the man and give him a chance, checks and balances are in place for many other drivers, and can be put in for him.