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Title: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 09, 2012, 11:43:42 PM: Marvin Raber stole this horse, tried to race and got caught. Then pushed horse thru a fake sale and is trying again. We need you.

The Raber shenanigans continue...

He has STAR in to qualify at Scioto on Tuesday July 10.

PLEASE, for all that want to help STAR... we need to CALL SCIOTO before 10am their time.

Call the Race Office 614-491-2426 or Toll-Free Number: 1-800-723-6967 Call the Judges 614-491-5855

PLEASURE HORSE ONLY, CANNOT RACE !
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 03:33:57 AM: He stole the horse?

There is a police report to prove this?

From what I understand the judges are aware of the situation and there isn't any "theft" involved at all.

There are steps to be taken when horses are sold as "pleasure" only and those steps were not followed by the previous owner and calling Marvin a "thief" on a public forum is uncalled for and frankly I hope the Power Which Be removes it ASAP. >:(
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 10, 2012, 07:31:01 AM: Marvin Raber did not steal the horse. This is horseshit and he is getting screwed over big time. He bought a horse at a real auction, not a fake auction.

Supposedly once the former owners heard he had bought the horse at auction, the former owners declared that the horse had been sold by them to whoever sold the horse at auction as a "pleasure only" horse, thus making the horse unable to race again. Unfortunately, the horse was not sold at auction as a pleasure only horse. He owns the horse and can now race it.

This is not a new situation, but something the busybodies want to rehash. This is what happens when someone does not want to get embarrassed after they sell a horse.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 10, 2012, 07:45:19 AM: Years back, I had a huge 2yo pacer that was pushing 17 hands. He could fly, but always lame, and threatening to bow a tendon at any minute. An Amish fellow was passing thru and wondered if he was for sale, so I sold the colt for cash and handed him the signed papers.

Couple years later I got a call from the USTA that someone was wanting to qualify him at Maywood Park, but I was still the registered owner. I told them that I sold him, but didn't know the buyers name, so I didn't give a sh*t if someone else did well with him. He quallied well, then broke down after his 1st money start. Glad I ended up with the money instead of the horse.

Nobody involved did anything shifty... stuff just happens.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 10, 2012, 08:28:45 AM: In this case I know exactly what happened, as I spoke to one of the owners of the sale company where the horse was bought by Marvin Raber.

This is a case of utter b.s.

When people sell to the Amish, they do not like ever seeing the horse race again, so they do not give the papers to the buyer. They may sell it to an Amish buyer with the understanding the horse is for pleasure or Amish use only.

The buyer then sells to another Amish man for a small profit. New Amish owner drives the horse on the road, sees it is a nice horse and word gets around the Amish community that "Joe Shetler has a really fast horse..."

SO Joe decides to put the horse in the auction with no papers. The buyer then applies to the USTA for papers using the horse's tatoo number, and the USTA informs the buyer that the horse was declared to be pleasure only. When the buyer asks when that happened, the USTA learns it was after the sale, which is a no no. Turns out the horse has been sold twice since the first sale, so that negates the "pleasure only" status.

What it boils down to (in my opinion) is people do not want to be embarrassed when the horse comes back from the Amish and makes someone else money.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:49:07 AM: My understanding is the horse was given away and designated pleasure only, the receiver accepted the horse as this. After awhile they ended up getting rid of the horse, to Raber. The owner never put the horse up for auction instead the people who took the horse for pleasure only did.

Raber ended up with the horse and the orginal owner had no idea this was occurring until the horse showed up in a qualifier at Northfield.

The owner contacted Northfield who in turn stopped the horse from being able to race.

Raber then put the horse in another auction and used the paperwork from the auction to remove the original owners name and pleasure only designation.

Isn't it funny Raber had the horse before and after the auction? Just now he is the "listed" owner?

What was the purpose of the original owner listing the horse as pleasure only? It was so it wouldnt be raced anymore.

Now...to add to all this when the original owner contacted Raber about this whole fiasco she was told to basically go pound salt in other words pay this huge fake bill. Then when the horse went into that sale she had someone there but they just bidded up the auction as the money they were spending was going right back into there own pocket, less the auctioneer fee, which isnt much.

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

Why would anyone even contemplate letting him care for a horse?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 10, 2012, 08:56:40 AM: Quote from: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:49:07 AM
My understanding is the horse was given away and designated pleasure only, the receiver accepted the horse as this. After awhile they ended up getting rid of the horse, to Raber. The owner never put the horse up for auction instead the people who took the horse for pleasure only did.

Raber ended up with the horse and the orginal owner had no idea this was occurring until the horse showed up in a qualifier at Northfield.

The owner contacted Northfield who in turn stopped the horse from being able to race.

Raber then put the horse in another auction and used the paperwork from the auction to remove the original owners name and pleasure only designation.

Isn't it funny Raber had the horse before and after the auction? Just now he is the "listed" owner?

What was the purpose of the original owner listing the horse as pleasure only? It was so it wouldnt be raced anymore.

Now...to add to all this when the original owner contacted Raber about this whole fiasco she was told to basically go pound salt in other words pay this huge fake bill. Then when the horse went into that sale she had someone there but they just bidded up the auction as the money they were spending was going right back into there own pocket, less the auctioneer fee, which isnt much.

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

Why would anyone even contemplate letting him care for a horse?
If it's that important to you, contact the local Racing Board and the USTA and give them your name, then file a formal complaint. ... pretty simple.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 10, 2012, 09:04:36 AM: Quote from: Just Saying on July 10, 2012, 08:56:40 AM
If it's that important to you, contact the local Racing Board and the USTA and give them your name, then file a formal complaint. ... pretty simple.

Already have.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 10:06:53 AM: Quote from: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:49:07 AM

Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real.

There are no New Jersey or USTA rulings against Marvin.......so are you sure about this?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Giss on July 10, 2012, 10:18:04 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 10:06:53 AM
There are no New Jersey or USTA rulings against Marvin.......so are you sure about this?

Why let the truth ruin a good story, Amy?
I have a hunch there may be more than one Marvin Raber in the Amish Community. Maybe not, but...
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Blue Chip55 on July 10, 2012, 10:21:23 AM: THIS IS A TRAVISTY thumbsdown
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 10, 2012, 10:22:44 AM: The title of the thread is "help stop horse theft". The horse was obviously not stolen. The horse is obviously not going to be prevented from racing-he qualified today. Finally he must not be too lame, he trotted in 2:00.1.

This is a total bullshit thread-he said, she said. Well I say to all concerned: If you wanted the horse badly enough or were so worried about the welfare of the horse, you should have kept the horse or donated it to a horse retirement facility.

You cannot designate a horse as a "pleasure only" horse long after the horse has been sold. It is my understanding that the former owners were contacted by an attorney and presented an offer to buy the horse back and did not take the offer.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 10, 2012, 10:24:22 AM: Quote from: The Giss on July 10, 2012, 10:18:04 AM
Why let the truth ruin a good story, Amy?
I have a hunch there may be more than one Marvin Raber in the Amish Community. Maybe not, but...
slaphead Next thing you will be telling us is that there is more than one Andy Miller.

rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 10:50:47 AM: I've been reminded several times about selling a horse "with out" papers.......

1-You do not want a horse remaining in your name and opening up yourself to a possible liability issue if the horse would be involved in an accident of any sort resulting in damage.

2-If God forbid a horse is in your name and unbeknownst to you it ends up in a killer pen, YOU are the responsible party.

We never sell a horse unless the signed papers accompany the horse and we only sell to reputable Amish men. The people we deal with, we've dealt with for years......they have wonderful reputations and keep us informed on a horses welfare........I've had new owners contact us after buying a few wanting to know quirks or to say a mare we've sold just foaled........it's actually very comforting.

I'm not a fool in rose colored glasses......I'm sure there have been some less than ideal conditions some have ended up in.........unfortunate nature of the business when you can't afford to keep them forever.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 10:59:03 AM: All this aside..........a thread dedicated to calling a horseman a horse thief and abuser is bullshit.

And pretty hypocritical from someone who continually defended his connections against accusations........accusations mind you, I've also voiced displeasure in being made.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 10, 2012, 11:14:37 AM: What did you expect from the biggest liar and scumbag on any forum? He lives to run people through the sewer. Thanks for setting the record straight Gary!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on July 10, 2012, 12:36:12 PM: I can't think of anything that can get everyones' hair up quicker than the topic of what to do with horses that can no longer race or like this one today that was supposedly going to retirement and ends up racing. I would think the previous owner of said horse would be happy to see it alive and well enough to qualify today in 2 min. and some change. hammerhead1 You have alot of "Marvin Rabers" to go thru to find the one in the New Jersery mess. Don't think this "Marvin" is same one but who knows. Those damn Amish get around fast. hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 10, 2012, 12:51:27 PM: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/10/driver_in_interstate_80_wreck.html (http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/10/driver_in_interstate_80_wreck.html)

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek....

....Authorities estimate 195 animals were packed into the 20-foot-long trailer.

Quote from: USTA Records
Raber, Marvin D 875G81 Apple Creek OH 3 3 ScD

How many are from Apple Creek? How many middle name Dale?

Come on people, 195 animals in an 20' trailer. 80 of which died at his hands.

Screw him.

He forged the papers, 100% fact. He knew what he did.

Karma, I suppose is the only thing that will equalize this scenario.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 01:05:50 PM: Now wait a minute............3 charges of animal cruelty were withdrawn........and he received a small fine?

Poor use of judgement in my opinion but out and out cruelty noway? I guess even a judge didn't see it this way.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 10, 2012, 01:10:08 PM: Sheep aren't that big. You can squeeze a lot of them into a trailer. I don't think that is that baaaaa aaaaaa aaaaad.

hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 10, 2012, 02:24:47 PM: Javelina if you don't want people talking about about your friends don't libel other people.

you had .5 ounces of credibility, no you have none.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 03:16:38 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 10, 2012, 02:24:47 PM
Javelina if you don't want people talking about about your friends don't libel other people.

you had .5 ounces of credibility, no you have none.
thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 04:17:03 PM: Checked the article. Marvin needs to be more careful with things.

I am guessing some of the people here know him?
Is he a good guy?

Also if you sell a horse to the amish you really dont know where it will end up. They are tougher on horses than anyone else. They will sell it to slaughter or whomever offers them a profit or money on the animal after he no longer has a use for them. Id personaly rather be put down than sent to live on aan amish farm is I was a horse.

I think the author of this thread is trying to do the right thing.
Would be nice if a vet with honesty and integrity checked the horse out and gave a report on his soundness.
And dont say if hes racing hes sound. Hundreds of unsound horses race every week.

My concern first and foremost is for the horse.
And wish him the best.

Interesting thread and I had to comment 4pezz2 4pezz2 4pezz2 4pezz2
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 10, 2012, 04:25:17 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 04:17:03 PM

I think the author of this thread is trying to do the right thing.

between this post and that girl regarding child support, you need to be a little more skeptical people aren't all that good.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 04:40:17 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 10, 2012, 04:25:17 PM
between this post and that girl regarding child support, you need to be a little more skeptical people aren't all that good.

Jeremy you have a memory like an elephant.

The author of this thread deserves alot of the abuse. Primarily for a continued association with the scumbag site. Well after it was known and unacceptable for anyone who gives a damn about anything in the sport.

But I have come to forgive and forget and like just about everyone.

The author of this post is impulsive, sometimes misguided and goes way over board and is what he is.
I do not think he is as malicious as some think he is.

I like you and Headpole and Tross and etc etc.
I like Amy. And think there are a bunch of good people here. Thats why I come here.

Hopefully when you get older you will feel the same way.

Now instead of derailing this with my not being skeptical enough of people.

Do people here know the person in question? People whoms opinion would be respected.

If it was a guy from here. Id either
1. stick up for him. Which means I like him
2. not mention him which means I didnt.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 10, 2012, 05:53:48 PM: Something is a amiss here but this was just brought to my attention, I guess he got off easy in this court and 3 days later the following charges were brought up.

http://origin-www-prod.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1283227513293740.xml&coll=3 (http://origin-www-prod.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1283227513293740.xml&coll=3)

I am not finding any follow-up to these charges? But there were many.

...In keeping with Hunker's count, the SPCA filed 195 animal cruelty criminal charges and an equal number of civil complaints, SPCA Capt. Rick Yocum said Monday....

....Yocum said it is not uncommon for slaughter-bound animals to be crammed into small trailers and trucks.

"It's all about dollars and cents," he said. ....
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:22:50 PM: What does this?

Quote from: javelina on July 09, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
Marvin Raber stole this horse, tried to race and got caught. Then pushed horse thru a fake sale and is trying again. We need you.

The Raber shenanigans continue...

He has STAR in to qualify at Scioto on Tuesday July 10.

PLEASE, for all that want to help STAR... we need to CALL SCIOTO before 10am their time.

Call the Race Office 614-491-2426 or Toll-Free Number: 1-800-723-6967 Call the Judges 614-491-5855

PLEASURE HORSE ONLY, CANNOT RACE !

Have to do with this?

Quote from: javelina on July 10, 2012, 12:51:27 PM
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/10/driver_in_interstate_80_wreck.html (http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/10/driver_in_interstate_80_wreck.html)

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek....

....Authorities estimate 195 animals were packed into the 20-foot-long trailer.

How many are from Apple Creek? How many middle name Dale?

Come on people, 195 animals in an 20' trailer. 80 of which died at his hands.

Screw him.

He forged the papers, 100% fact. He knew what he did.

Karma, I suppose is the only thing that will equalize this scenario.

Lets stick to the facts , just because he can't drive too well and doesn't know how to load livestock has nothing to do with what your subject is about.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:30:17 PM: Quote from: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
What does this?

Have to do with this?

Lets stick to the facts , just because he can't drive too well and doesn't know how to load livestock has nothing to do with what your subject is about.

Quote from: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:49:07 AM

...Top it off this same Raber is the one who was charge in New Jersey with animal cruelty, that was real...

Quote from: AmyHollar on July 10, 2012, 10:06:53 AM
There are no New Jersey or USTA rulings against Marvin.......so are you sure about this?

All that was in response to this. The general progression of the thread.

My initial statement went to general fitness and moral turpitude of the subject in question.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:38:17 PM: Quote from: javelina on July 10, 2012, 08:30:17 PM
All that was in response to this. The general progression of the thread.

My initial statement went to general fitness and moral turpitude of the subject in question.

Granted it looks like he does make some bad judgement calls but what's morally wrong to us may not be to others. For the record , he would probably be a person I would not hang with or like but let the powers that be make the final decision.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 08:49:45 PM: Quote from: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Lets stick to the facts , just because he can't drive too well and doesn't know how to load livestock has nothing to do with what your subject is about.

He was charged with multiple counts and did plead guilty to a count of animal cruelty. It does have some merit in the conversation.

Really would like to get some credible info on all of this.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 08:56:49 PM: Quote from: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
Granted it looks like he does make some bad judgement calls but what's morally wrong to us may not be to others. For the record , he would probably be a person I would not hang with or like but let the powers that be make the final decision.

Problem is the powers that be tend to suck.
The laws and enforcement of them regarding animals and animal creulty are archaic.

In states like Ohio where livestock and farming are so prevelant its even more tilted against the animals and in favor of the humans.

Factory farming is inherently cruel just buy its nature.
Like to see the laws changed.
Wont happen though and I still eat steak and bacon.

The sport is littered with the good the bad and the ugly.

I have no idea where this guy lands.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 11, 2012, 03:29:59 AM: Quote from: mo doc n on July 10, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
Granted it looks like he does make some bad judgement calls but what's morally wrong to us may not be to others. For the record , he would probably be a person I would not hang with or like but let the powers that be make the final decision.
thumbsup thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 11, 2012, 03:31:49 AM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
In states like Ohio where livestock and farming are so prevelant its even more tilted against the animals and in favor of the humans.

:o

The accident happened in New Jersey.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 11, 2012, 05:06:07 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 11, 2012, 03:31:49 AM

:o

The accident happened in New Jersey.

One day 3ww will think with his head and not his heart.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: thefactsonly matter on July 11, 2012, 06:49:52 AM: Heard about this thread from a friend and need to pass this info along. about the accident in n j . Even if this is the same guy i do know he was only the driver doing a favor for the regular driver that normally went, the truck and trailer was taken to him already loaded and the reason he got charges was the fact that whoever loaded him, loaded him top heavy and over weight by less than a 1000 pounds. Also we all know accidents can happen to anyone. He was just in wrong spot wrong time in this case.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 11, 2012, 09:19:49 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 11, 2012, 05:06:07 AM
One day 3ww will think with his head and not his heart.

Really?

Dude drove a trailer with 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.
80 of them died there at the highway.

The rest I assume went to slaughter and we ate.

Jeremy 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.

At what point does the person driving the trailer have any responsibility?

Should any person driving that tractor trailer ever be in possession of an animal?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: careless hal on July 11, 2012, 09:57:35 AM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 11, 2012, 09:19:49 AM
Really?

Dude drove a trailer with 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.
80 of them died there at the highway.

The rest I assume went to slaughter and we ate.

Jeremy 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.

At what point does the person driving the trailer have any responsibility?

Should any person driving that tractor trailer ever be in possession of an animal?

I agree with you 3W, the guy is either stupid, a jerk or an asshole, or all three.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 11, 2012, 10:15:26 AM: Quote from: careless hal on July 11, 2012, 09:57:35 AM
I agree with you 3W, the guy is either stupid, a jerk or an asshole, or all three.

tri
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 11, 2012, 02:15:20 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 11, 2012, 09:19:49 AM
Really?

Dude drove a trailer with 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.
80 of them died there at the highway.

The rest I assume went to slaughter and we ate.

Jeremy 196 animals on a 20 foot trailer.

At what point does the person driving the trailer have any responsibility?

Should any person driving that tractor trailer ever be in possession of an animal?

They died as a result of an accident, not from being overcrowded. More could have died because they were overcrowded as a result of the accident, but being overcrowded is not what killed them.

If people didn't eat animals, they wouldn't have been going to slaughter for consumption, so that means every person that eats meat is to blame. Except us in Ohio, Indiana and Chicago, because it was headed east.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 11, 2012, 03:08:03 PM: I bet there were a lot of nice lambskin condoms made from that load of sheep, along with some damned fine lambchops. And think of the nice wool shirts and blankets...

Load. rflmao1 That load got spewed all over the place. slaphead hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: srotagtbs on July 11, 2012, 04:11:02 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 10, 2012, 08:49:45 PM
He was charged with multiple counts and did plead guilty to a count of animal cruelty. It does have some merit in the conversation.

Really would like to get some credible info on all of this.

An online forum would probably not be the best place to find the credible info.

But WTFDIK?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 11, 2012, 05:29:10 PM: Quote from: srotagtbs on July 11, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
An online forum would probably not be the best place to find the credible info.

But WTFDIK?
rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 11, 2012, 06:07:05 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 11, 2012, 02:15:20 PM

If people didn't eat animals, they wouldn't have been going to slaughter for consumption, so that means every person that eats meat is to blame.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 11, 2012, 08:53:02 PM: Quote from: srotagtbs on July 11, 2012, 04:11:02 PM
An online forum would probably not be the best place to find the credible info.

But WTFDIK?
You're kidding! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypantZ on July 11, 2012, 09:25:27 PM: Marvin D Raber aka horse theif and very strong connections to the Amish
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on July 12, 2012, 01:32:35 AM: Quote from: fuzzypantZ on July 11, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
Marvin D Raber aka horse theif and very strong connections to the Amish
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 12, 2012, 05:03:32 AM: Quote from: fuzzypantZ on July 11, 2012, 09:25:27 PM

So you think you pulled a good one off with Four Starrz ?
With your kangaroo Amish sale .
Quote from: fuzzypantZ on July 11, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
Marvin D Raber aka horse theif and very strong connections to the Amish
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 12, 2012, 05:52:05 AM: The only real ethical problem I see here is with someone designating a horse as pleasure only ...after the horse has been sold twice.

Many horses come back from injuries. For someone to try and control what happened to a horse only after dumping the horse is the real travesty.

I do appreciate the page hits this dumbass thread has generated though.
thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 12, 2012, 05:56:26 AM: Also for what it is worth, my cousin drives a truck that hauls animals to slaughterhouses. He said 196 sheep is not even close to overcrowding. He gets 95 cattle on that weigh about 500 pounds each. Sheep weigh less tjhan 100 pounds.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 12, 2012, 06:29:53 AM: I had a very nice homebred filly that won her 1st 4 or 5 starts, until she broke a sesamoid. Had it removed and I couldn't get her sound enough to race, so I gave her to a friend (and partner) for a broodmare. Couple of years later he put her back into training.

Long story short: She won the F&M Open at Pompano and went on to win $100k. Instead of being pissed-off, I was thrilled that she had a great career doing what she loved to do.

IMO, if you want to have the say-so on a horse forever, don't get rid of them.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 12, 2012, 10:42:54 AM: thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 12, 2012, 09:31:00 PM: slaphead
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Joani on July 13, 2012, 06:58:20 AM: I have no clue who this guy is...........or what he did or didn't do. My question is (especially after reading Scioto's FB page) all these people are absolutely livid about this situation, why wasn't there representation at Scioto to stop the horse, a protest, even an angry mob. There has been a lot of people all outraged on these two forums, but no one that I am aware of actually doing anything but talking. Do you really think posting here is going to change anything? I get that you're upset, like I said, I have no knowledge about the situation, but it seems to me that these owners should have made a point of being at Scioto and making there feelings known and to do it in front of Mr. Raber, where he'd have a chance to defend himself. idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 07:14:17 AM: Joani the point is, the goofs have no horse in this race. Let the do gooders whine and bitch all they want, Marvin Raber did absolutely nothing wrong, end of story.

He bought the horse properly and a bunch of goofsballs tried to make it out like he did something wrong.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 13, 2012, 10:00:52 AM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 07:14:17 AM
Joani the point is, the goofs have no horse in this race. Let the do gooders whine and bitch all they want, Marvin Raber did absolutely nothing wrong, end of story.

He bought the horse properly and a bunch of goofsballs tried to make it out like he did something wrong.

Kind of unfair. I have never owned a horse but do care aboou the sports health and overall perception. Mainly so that it survives and my friends can make a living. And I have a lot of fun going to the races.

Apparently the horse broke a cesamode (sp?). But the original owners need to do more.
To make sure that returning to the races didnt happen.
If it meant that much to them.
Just pawning off to the Amish and filing pleasure only papers with the USTA isnt really cutting the mustard.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 13, 2012, 10:36:30 AM: I don't even know if there is such a thing as "pleasure only" kind of filing with the USTA.

Many horses come back from sesamoid injuries..............especially if given enough time to heal.

The real beef these owners have is with original person the gave the horse too. And like I said, they would have been foolish to not sign off on the animal in the first place.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 02:09:42 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 13, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
Kind of unfair. I have never owned a horse but do care aboou the sports health and overall perception. Mainly so that it survives and my friends can make a living. And I have a lot of fun going to the races.

Apparently the horse broke a cesamode (sp?). But the original owners need to do more.
To make sure that returning to the races didnt happen.
If it meant that much to them.
Just pawning off to the Amish and filing pleasure only papers with the USTA isnt really cutting the mustard.
Was not referring to you. Sesamoids and pastern bones (whichever it was) are both injuries that horses often return and race well after, especially after getting a lot of time off.

The people involved in stirring up this shit could care less about horses, they just want to stir up shit and act like they actually care about them. Do you think for even a second that Casey gives a damn about any horse after he cashes a ticket on them?

rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 13, 2012, 02:29:40 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 13, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
Kind of unfair. I have never owned a horse but do care aboou the sports health and overall perception. Mainly so that it survives and my friends can make a living. And I have a lot of fun going to the races.

Apparently the horse broke a cesamode (sp?). But the original owners need to do more.
To make sure that returning to the races didnt happen.
If it meant that much to them.
Just pawning off to the Amish and filing pleasure only papers with the USTA isnt really cutting the mustard.

When you trade in a car for a new one, do you get to tell the dealership who they can sell it to and what they can use it for?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 13, 2012, 02:40:15 PM: It would seem to me that an owner who was in no way, shape or form "made out of money" wouldn't hire legal counsel and bare not only the expenses for those services, but the countless hours of work tracking this whole thing from the start.

Here is some information from that counsel:

"The course of events, of which the U.S.T.A. is familiar are as follows. While the owner of the horse, Four Starz Valley in conjunction with two separate attempts by my trainer to get this horse to the races in California, he fractured a coffin joint twice.

He first fractured a coffin joint in his first qualifier for me and was laid up to rehabilitate for over one year at our farm in Riverside. After rehabilitation and clearance by my veterinarian to begin training he was once again trained down in anticipation of racing again. However, he did not make it back to the races. In advance of him qualifying a second time he again fractured the same coffin joint. At that time the veterinarian determined that due to his re-injury and confirmation he would never be safe to race as had suffered the second fracture, to the same coffin joint, in the same manner that he originally had. At that time I adopted the horse out keeping the registration paperwork so that ownership could not transfer and no one could race the horse again. This was done so-as to protect the horse from catastrophic injury and to protect other horsemen or participants should the unthinkable happen where this horse completely breaks down in any race.

Unbeknownst to me and my intent to adopt this horse out to a forever home, I have subsequently learned, he instead ended up in several Amish sales on the east coast in Ohio and Pennsylvania."

ONE YEAR ON REHAB. Doesn't sound to me like someone who "dumped" a horse.

"Soon thereafter I learned that Marvin D. Raber had the horse upon his demand to me in the amount of $9,000. This was after I had no knowledge of him having obtained the horse, the circumstances surrounding his obtaining the horse, and with his full knowledge that he would not be able to obtain transfer for the registration papers held electronically unless he submitted a fraudulent transfer slip through a race office. As the legal owner of this horse, Marvin D. Raber did not have my authority to have possession, train, or care for this horse. Only after he fraudulently obtained the horse via private sale after a reserve not met sale at an Amish auction (Smokey Lane), and he qualified the horse at Northfield, did he make any demand upon me for anything"

Why would the previous owner be responsible for 9 grand in training fees if Raber was the rightful owner? Why won't Northfield let him enter the horse at the current time if the Judges are OK with this?

"As the legal and bona-fide owner of the horse I placed the U.S.T.A. Pleasure Horse Designation on him outlined in Rule 26, and registered via Inner Circle to ensure that he would not race again. I faxed letters to Janet Terhune at the U.S.T.A., Lester Teeters (Presiding Judge at NFLD), and Dave Bianconi (Racing Secretary at NFLD) explaining the situation. Despite the designation, and no transfer on ownership to anyone else this horse was permitted to qualify with me and my partner as the legal owners. I am licensed as an Owner in California and Minnesota. We are not members of the Ohio Harness Horsemen's Association, we have no Ohio racing licenses, and had this horse broken down in the qualifier and injured others we would have had no liability insurance coverage to protect any damage to race equipment, personal property, or others. Just the fact that this horse was permitted to race in Ohio without a legal change of ownership was a failure of the system"

As the "legal" owner of the horse, why didn't Raber transfer him BEFORE he was entered and completed the qualifying race if all was on the up and up?

"After the horse qualified Marvin D. Raber then paid the private party for the horse he had qualified and then he engaged an attorney to pursue an Ohio Farm Lien in order to circumvent what I had put into place, so he could race the horse.

From a fraudulent demand for an erroneous amount of money ($9,000) when Marvin D. Raber never paid for the horse via private sale (in an unknown amount) until after the horse qualified at Northfield, to a defective legal process in Ohio, when I am a California resident with no connection to Ohio and Raber had no authority from me in Ohio, to defective legal notice, to a fraudulent public sale where the only horse that was sold on that day was Four Starz Valley, Marvin D Raber obtained a bill of sale from the Sugarcreek Auction House on June 20, 2012."

Sounds like a clean business deal, right?

"On July 6, 2012, I received an anonymous tip that the USTA set forth that I "signed off" on the Pleasure Horse Designation in some manner. That I took the pleasure horse designation off of Four Starz and cleared him to race again and that the registration papers to Marvin D. Raber would issue.
That is patently false. I never removed the designation. I wouldn't have done so under any circumstances due to the health, safety, and welfare issues present in this case. This is an issue of the horse suffering catastrophic breakdown and the potential for injury to others. That is the reason I made the designation that is the reason I am pursuing this case. This horse is unsafe to race."

Funny, the previous owner never asked for money for the horse, just that he be handed over to an Ohio Rescue Program who would offer a caring home and prevent any "mishaps" that could potentially come about by racing an unfit animal.

"The purpose of the Pleasure Horse Designation is just this kind of a case. If an owner has a horse that is unsafe or unfit for racing and they want to prevent the horse from racing in the future they are supposed to be covered by making the Pleasure Horse Designation. Horses can never race, be bred, or used in any way for racing. You can even transfer the ownership and the designation is supposed to remain."

"At this time if the registration papers are not revoked and this horse isn't prohibited from ever racing again, as was the intent when I as the legal owner put the Pleasure Horse Designation on him, I will immediately proceed with any avenue available in order to publicize this case and pursue any legal remedies available to me. Further, Marvin D. Raber should be penalized for his misconduct as outlined under U.S.T.A. Rules: Rule 20, Section 7; Article I, Section 3; Article IV, Section 2; and Rule 11, for his misconduct and multiple acts detrimental to the sport.
over the papers will keep the horse "safe". Lo and behold the horse shows up at an Amish sale, is bought by a horse trainer, who knows there are no papers. No worries, they can do a fraudulent transfer slip through the race office once they get the horse qualified and get the registration papers issued in their name. This happens all the time, the USTA knows about it, and that was supposed to be the impetus behind this program to stop that.

And that is what the Pleasure Horse Designation was supposed to prevent"
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 03:10:58 PM: Actually I am told that the horse was being used in Holmes county, Ohio as a buggy horse. He was so fast that Marvin Raber heard about the horse and bought him at Sugarcreek Livestock Auction.

Happens all the time. Now look at it this way: if the horse is sound enough to trot up a storm on the paved roads of Holmes county, is sound enough to qualify not once but twice, and trot in 2:00.1, how sore can he possibly be? How many times is a veterinarian incorrect? Often!

There are different sides to any story and especially if the above account is from an attorney, I have grave doubts about the authenticity of said claims.

I have heard from one of the owners of the auction, and I have heard from Raber's representatives. Sue away. Case dismissed.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 13, 2012, 04:51:28 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 13, 2012, 02:29:40 PM
When you trade in a car for a new one, do you get to tell the dealership who they can sell it to and what they can use it for?

If I retain the registration and you give me money for the car is it still my car if you dont get the registration?

If I take my neighbors car and sell it to you without a registration do you own it?

Apparently the Cali owner says she gave to a place where the horse would be used as "pleasure" horse. she retained the registration with the thought that it would protect her and the horse from this happening.

Anywho.
This is going on at a few forums now and not accomplishing a whole bunch.

If the cali owner ( who still holds the horses racing credentials) wants to make a fuss I suggest she does it with the USTA or through other outlets such as media.

Rehashing it here over and over isnt going to do much.

Take care my friend Jeremy.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 13, 2012, 05:02:22 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on July 12, 2012, 01:32:35 AM
So what part of "the previous owner didn't want to nurse the horse back to health,therefore dumped the horse and is now pissed off because the horse made it back to the track, don't you understand?
And then, through utter jesalousy, the previous owner informs the USTA that said horse is to be used for "pleasure only",(after the horse makes it back)
Only 2 people know the true story yet people like Fuzz,BBF, and JJ condemn this man and continue to skew the facts to suit their own warped agenda.
Get a GRIP!
My facts come directly from the rightful horse owner.
Where do yours come from?
So in your opinion doing the right thing by the horse is a warped screwed up agenda?
Trying to protect the horse and others that race against him is warped?
Also making horsemen, owners aware of how the integrity of the Standardbred registry can be manipulated frudulently to "skew a horse owner or buyer or investor" That the same thing can happen to them !
We wont sweep it under the table or integrity wont allow it.

So now LV GaryD you have talk to that Dear kind man Raber and the blessed Suagarcreek Auction and that is all you need?

Cause after all you have a brother who drives livestock truck and is basically not reasponsible for his livestock safety cause they are going to slaughter anyway and over livestock trailers is and exceptable practice even if its wrong so no you understand Marvin delema?

Now the Gripper here would like to make this out to be a case of jealousy that is such a sadly pathetic verbage ass excuse I have ever heard and same excuse I have heard thousand of times before , from every damn cheater theif liar juicer , when eye brows get raised.

My Agenda along with many others is not hidden one bit it is just the same as every caring owner horsemen and fan in this buisness wants creditabilty accountabilty Ethical buisness practises. With horses treated with dignity and respect after racing.
If you think for one minute threatening an owner saying and quoting Marvin Raber "your horse will be pounding concrete if you dont sign his papers over" is something to be jealous of???
Getting the horse to the races and her trainer couldnt? Have you seriously bumped your head ? Have you seen the pathetic purses Northfield races for just like Calexpos pathetic and you think for one minute its about egos and money?

Case dismissed your right their Gripper Raber stold the horse the broken down animal is going to race and in your opinion the guy is the Greatest eye for horse since LOU PENA!
To be accepting of any of these types with out a full head on investigation. Is beyond belief and prettty much explains it to me why the harness industry is so much in the crapper.
Geea this jeramy guy sounds more like peewee herman.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 13, 2012, 05:04:59 PM: 3 wide I cant wait till Pettdaaaa shows up at the Amish sale! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 13, 2012, 05:07:00 PM: My friend Fuzz

Its gonna be tough sleding here. That JJ started the thread is one thing and other reasons.

But like I said.
Us arguing it isnt helping a lot.

The cali lady needs to contact USTA and media and get her story out.

Chandler says ruff ruff!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 05:54:19 PM: No Fuzzy, I also talked to the USTA. I actually know the true facts of the case, and I know the law in Ohio. You see I was born and raised 8 miles from where Marvin Raber lives, and I have bought and sold Amish horses for at least 35 years, although the last one was 3 years ago.

The moment she handed the horse to someone else, it was no longer her horse. After the horse was sold multiple times at Amish auctions, papers or no papers, she had zero say in the matter.

She is damned lucky the horse was not taken to Mexico and slaughtered. That is what often happens to Arizona, Nevada, and California horses who are "free to a good home".
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 06:00:54 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 13, 2012, 05:04:59 PM
3 wide I cant wait till Pettdaaaa shows up at the Amish sale! rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
PETA can go to Sugarcreek, Kidron, Mt. Hope, and Farmerstown auctions every week. I think there is even an auction at Creston every week as well.

I strongly urge the PETA heads to go. They might learn a thing or two. By the way Bob Evans and many other large chains buy their livestock at these auctions. I talked for an hour with a Bob Evans buyer last fall. Very impressive how they handle these animals, despite the fact that they will be sausage within 12-24 hours of the auction.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 13, 2012, 06:23:19 PM: Oh and by the way, had Ms. Wiener contacted the USTA prior to the original change of ownership and asked that the horse be designated "pleasure only", guess what? They would have designated the registration as pleasure only and it could never have been changed.

Thank you very much, laddies. Now what? idunno

I am a f**king journalist. I get to the bottom of shit.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 13, 2012, 08:42:01 PM: I apologize for repeating myself, but if want control over a horse for it's entire life, don't get rid of it. If it's that important to you, pay the bills on it until it dies. (I'm doing it)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 13, 2012, 11:32:22 PM: Epic thread.

I say I'm still of the position, stolen.

I will apologize later if I'm wrong. Something stinks.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 05:54:37 AM: Quote from: javelina on July 13, 2012, 11:32:22 PM

I say I'm still of the position, stolen.

Then you obviously have comprehension issues. hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 07:22:35 AM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 05:54:37 AM
Then you obviously have comprehension issues. hammerhead1

He also thinks this is an epic thread.

I bet he beeps and yells at people that are jogging as he drives by.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 14, 2012, 09:48:47 AM: I doubt he can afford a vehicle on McDonalds wages.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: MichiganDale on July 14, 2012, 10:33:12 AM: Quote from: Just Saying on July 13, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
I apologize for repeating myself, but if want control over a horse for it's entire life, don't get rid of it. If it's that important to you, pay the bills on it until it dies. (I'm doing it)
5 Pages of comments on this 'epic thread' (?) and Just Saying nailed it - you want to protect a horse or any other asset for that matter, for life - then keep it and don't get rid of it. Trying to put lifetime conditions on a asset that you unload it ridiculous. Just this guy's opinion.....
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 14, 2012, 11:09:06 AM: I think Raber should be drawn and quartered in epic fashion.........after an epic battle upon fields of valor..............culminating in an epic love triangle..........to end only in epic fail.

No really.......I don't want Marvin drawn and quartered.......just an epic over exaggeration.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 12:19:17 PM: Quote from: Headpole Dave on July 14, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
I doubt he can afford a vehicle on McDonalds wages.

Working in the restaurant industry I never had an employee that didn't drive a car because they couldn't afford one.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on July 14, 2012, 12:35:14 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 14, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
I think Raber should be drawn and quartered in epic fashion.........after an epic battle upon fields of valor..............culminating in an epic love triangle..........to end only in epic fail.

4pezz2

thumbsup

No really.......I don't want Marvin drawn and quartered.......just an epic over exaggeration.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 14, 2012, 01:06:38 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
Working in the restaurant industry I never had an employee that didn't drive a car because they couldn't afford one.

Speaking of......I just wasted $2 on a small vanilla dip cone at Dairy Queen. Epic disappointment. My dippy chocolate wouldn't harden...............that's what she said.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 02:43:06 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 14, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
Speaking of......I just wasted $2 on a small vanilla dip cone at Dairy Queen. Epic disappointment. My dippy chocolate wouldn't harden...............that's what she said.

Any time you spend money at DQ it is money wasted.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 04:08:31 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 12, 2012, 05:03:32 AM
no one cares what you have to say

Actually I am coming back here.

To say you are a little punk.

I am about to take a shit in the toilet.

What comes out I will call JEREMY

But again no one cares what I have to say.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 04:25:59 PM: ^^^^^ Now that right there is some funny stuff. Epic! rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 04:45:10 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
^^^^^ Now that right there is some funny stuff. Epic! rflmao1 rflmao1

rflmao1

Still say Jeremy is an internet tough guy.
I am going old school.

Calling out Fuzzy pants not so cool.

But Jeremy is OK.
I do think I can beat him with one hand tied behind my back.
And Chandler nipping at his heels for Fzuzy.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 05:30:54 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 04:45:10 PM
rflmao1

Still say Jeremy is an internet tough guy.
I am going old school.

Calling out Fuzzy pants not so cool.

But Jeremy is OK.
I do think I can beat him with one hand tied behind my back.
And Chandler nipping at his heels for Fzuzy.

if you want to back up those words and agree not to press charges I will meet you in August to follow through with that.

EDIT: For someone that made a website which appeared to be solely because of the horseplop web site, you seem to want to stick up for the people that are sullying the name of someone you don't know or can 100% say you know the facts of what went on. Apparently once someone tells you a sob story you take their side no matter what the facts may be, because you still haven't learned people can manipulate you to take their side and they have no problem in doing so.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 05:43:24 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 05:30:54 PM
if you want to back up those words and agree not to press charges I will meet you in August to follow through with that.

Now we are talking!
I put my address out there

If we are going to do this lets sell tickets.

August in ohio or Maryland?

And Ron dont just tell Fuzzy no one cares.

I care.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 05:45:13 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 05:43:24 PM
Now we are talking!
I put my address out there

If we are going to do this lets sell tickets.

August in ohio or Maryland?

And Ron dont just tell Fuzzy no one cares.

I care.

Pittsburgh PA

who is ron?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 05:55:34 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 05:45:13 PM
Pittsburgh PA

who is ron?

Ron Jeremy

Me coming to Pittsburgh is highly unlikely.

Race 9 the Meadowlands.
Ill be coming after you or mellow and having fun.

Way too serious Ron.
But Fuzzy Pants is one of the good people.
You mark that down.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 06:01:44 PM: Well tough I owe Donk 2 dozen pierogies and bettor a lava lamp for her house.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 06:02:58 PM: I hope you pay Doink exactly like he paid me when the Indians won more games than the Pirates won last year....and it was his bet!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 06:04:45 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 14, 2012, 06:02:58 PM
I hope you pay Doink exactly like he paid me when the Indians won more games than the Pirates won last year....and it was his bet!

nah, I follow through on bets.

Ask JordanJacob and Niatross
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 14, 2012, 09:24:15 PM: You owe Bettor a lava lamp? ANd here I thought we were tight. idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:48:47 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 12:19:17 PM
Working in the restaurant industry I never had an employee that didn't drive a car because they couldn't afford one.
your right hork butt they steal them just like french fries and horse thats forging papers is not stealing at least not in ohio?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:52:09 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 06:01:44 PM
Well tough I owe Donk 2 dozen pierogies and bettor a lava lamp for her house.
so welch on your bets also I would expect nothing less than that from a punk like you all blow and no go
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 07:53:21 AM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:48:47 AM
your right hork butt they steal them just like french fries and horse thats forging papers is not stealing at least not in ohio?

Show me and everyone else 100% concrete proof that the papers were forged. Until then you belong on the plop.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:54:58 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 14, 2012, 05:45:13 PM
Pittsburgh PA

who is ron?
now the chicken crapper cant admit who he is what wrong ammmannn annneeesha
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:56:59 AM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 14, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
Actually I am coming back here.

To say you are a little punk.

I am about to take a shit in the toilet.

What comes out I will call JEREMY

But again no one cares what I have to say.
oh you had to go take a jeramy
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:58:55 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 07:53:21 AM
Show me and everyone else 100% concrete proof that the papers were forged. Until then you belong on the plop.
you are a plop 3 wide prooves it he had to take jeramy
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 07:59:53 AM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:52:09 AM
so welch on your bets also I would expect nothing less than that from a punk like you all blow and no go

Actually no I don't, but your friend backed down real quick. (I told Donk I would order them online but he said not to, and I told him that I will get them if I ever make it to Pittsburgh. Bettor was told if I ever stop over that is what she is getting) On the other hand you should feel secure knowing he has your back... the same friend that calls others internet tough guys but called a woman on this site trailer trash. People don't forget that. The day he did that and never apologized showed what kind of man he was.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:00:56 AM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 07:58:55 AM
you are a plop 3 wide prooves it he had to take jeramy

Really 3 wide? This is the person that you say people should care what he has to say?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 08:07:48 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 11, 2012, 02:15:20 PM

Not a he you little man but dont be to scared.
Maybe you want to sue me for that or maybe I should sue you.
by the way I dont hide be hind a screen name like you and tuff guy and then oh whos that you wussy.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:14:06 AM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 08:07:48 AM
Not a he you little man but dont be to scared.
Maybe you want to sue me for that or maybe I should sue you.
by the way I dont hide be hind a screen name like you and tuff guy and then oh whos that you wussy.
Your name is fuzzypants and I use my real name.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:20:30 AM: oh well I gave you guys 12 hours more than I should have. Stay dry under your bridge
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 08:23:37 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 07:59:53 AM
Actually no I don't, but your friend backed down real quick. (I told Donk I would order them online but he said not to, and I told him that I will get them if I ever make it to Pittsburgh. Bettor was told if I ever stop over that is what she is getting) On the other hand you should feel secure knowing he has your back... the same friend that calls others internet tough guys but called a woman on this site trailer trash. People don't forget that. The day he did that and never apologized showed what kind of man he was.
Gurinteed jeramy i m not trailer trash but when it comes to the mistreatment of horses and swindleing owners I can be dang trashy and try my dangest to get them out of racing with the rest of the trash now thats my stance now if you dont want the same for this industry I can understand completely why you cont want people to read me I been around horse racing long enough to see the crap that goes on and watch it go strait down the pea patch at the lives of many horses and buddy that is where I draw the line so you and i understand each other i may not have the years left on me as you but by god I will fight for every horse that none disapairs cause people want to turn a blind eye to those that make this a blood sport by that draining every dollar they can from a horse with no dignity or respect got that now you have anything else you want to no about me Ill be at Calexpo this afternoon checking on some horse that I own. You can find me any time any where you want to know anything about me Im not shy one dang bit or a chicken@3=t. Come on down .
I own Standardbreds, Thoroughbreds and Arabs so tell me all about Im at Calexpo every wkend its easy to find me after all the handle sucks and we are like a frickening ghost town. Not a hole lot of lady owners so come on down brave man.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 15, 2012, 08:28:16 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:14:06 AM
Your name is fuzzypants and I use my real name.
Fuzzypants is a nick name my Pops gave me because I road horses all the time and everywhere I sat my pants would leave horse haif so my Pops said looks like fuzzypants been here too.
Now I live with both my parrents and support them anything else you want to no like i said i aint that hard to find you just come on down here to California and ask for me.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 15, 2012, 08:40:11 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
Really 3 wide? This is the person that you say people should care what he has to say?

Thank you Ron.

When I say something it is for the most part true.

You were way out of line when you responded to FPs first ever post here with no one cares what you have to say.

Obviously you do.

But enough with this. The lady needs to contact media and USTA etc etc. Which she apparently has.

lol
Just for the record the person I called trailer trash is one of my best friends in the world whom I speak to almost every day.

Now man up Jeremy and let it go.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 15, 2012, 08:44:35 AM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 08:14:06 AM
Your name is fuzzypants and I use my real name.
rflmao1 rflmao1

Mr and Mrs. Pants boy.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 15, 2012, 09:07:30 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 15, 2012, 08:44:35 AM
rflmao1 rflmao1

Mr and Mrs. Pants boy.

We are big pants people!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 16, 2012, 04:32:22 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 15, 2012, 08:44:35 AM
rflmao1 rflmao1

Mr and Mrs. Pants boy.
Not hardly Amy I m a friend of Chandlers Father and he is not a she as Jeramy made a comment more of man more creditable than those on this site. I was told this site was all credtitable posters from OHIO that back Mr Raber

So here we go Amy you happen to no this guy
Amy apparently isn't even a member of the USTA!

So I looked up her husband, Calvin and since 1991 he has 35 rulings against his racing license. Of those 35, four were major, including:

Suspension from 1994-1995 for racing "Lord Arnold" on Ace.

1999 Fined $500 for CLAIMING A HORSE FOR SOMEONE ELSE

2005 Improper conduct and profanity towards the presiding judges in front of the paddock judge.

So, if everyone wants to claim that ITS and it's members are "reputable" then what do you call claiming a horse for someone else?!? The ultimate NO NO!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 16, 2012, 04:35:51 PM: Well here we go.... This should be entertaining.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 04:48:53 PM: (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/31105/2242891-not-This-Shit-Again.gif)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: burton on July 16, 2012, 04:51:45 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 16, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Not hardly Amy I m a friend of Chandlers Father and he is not a she as Jeramy made a comment more of man more creditable than those on this site. I was told this site was all credtitable posters from OHIO that back Mr Raber

So here we go Amy you happen to no this guy
Amy apparently isn't even a member of the USTA!

So I looked up her husband, Calvin and since 1991 he has 35 rulings against his racing license. Of those 35, four were major, including:

Suspension from 1994-1995 for racing "Lord Arnold" on Ace.

1999 Fined $500 for CLAIMING A HORSE FOR SOMEONE ELSE

2005 Improper conduct and profanity towards the presiding judges in front of the paddock judge.

So, if everyone wants to claim that ITS and it's members are "reputable" then what do you call claiming a horse for someone else?!? The ultimate NO NO!
How does Raber having infractions make this form less reputable?
Does he post here?
Take the top poster at BTW (javelina here) and compare his BS to what is posted here and it's not even close as to what's reputable.
I don't post here often but I find what you are insinuating about this forum not being reputable to be insulting to all the fine posters here.
C'mon Fuzzy, you're better and smarter than that.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:02:48 PM: rflmao1

I'm pretty sure you are signing the ticket for your way out of here now.

No, due to my job I am not an USTA member......I've never owned a horse myself and had no desire to get my trainers license......might rethink it though. :-X

We claimed a horse out of Michigan knowing an owner my sister was working for in Delaware at the time was very interested in buying.......turned the horse out for a few weeks and trained it back down before shipping it (Buck and I together shipped the horse) out to Delaware for the new owners to take over.......I believe at the time the Michigan claiming rule was 60 days.........well, we (all involved) screwed up and entered the horse to qualify on the 59th day......... 4pezz2......big no-no...........there are absolutely no rules on what you can do with a horse after you claim it.........but there are of course rules on when the horse can be entered out of state.

No lying about it..........Buck went into his hearing........told them what he did and suffered the consequences...........didn't place blame else where..........did whine.........did the time and paid the fine.

And you think it is an issue? rflmao1

The Acepromazine positives have been retold and retold over and over on these forums.........not gonna do it again..........it's one reason I am so adamant about our laws being archaic..........I know what a positive test does to a trainer and their family.........I know how wrong those who claim after a positive it is business as usual........we went bankrupt and moved in with my parents with two little babies..........guess what, Buck said exactly what he did........we even had the veterinarian make statements on his behalf, but the vet was an Ohio vet, the positives were in Michigan and the withdraw times were different.............it was nearly 20 years ago, Buck was 33 years old and just starting out on his own and trusted the vets opinions. rflmao1 There is nothing to hide.........I can discuss all the details further in depth if you want, you can call me while I water my flowers later on tonight. 614-778-5905

OH! The profanity! Buck's an asshole! slaphead He got what he deserved......he didn't like the judges call and as he was hanging up the paddock phone after calling them Bud Teeters heard him mutter under his breath "dumbasses" and fined him. Simple. idunno It was unprofessional........wouldn't surprise me if it happens again because at times his mouth gets WAY ahead of where his brain should be.........but guess what.......I wrote the check out for the fine.....didn't talk to him for a few days and let it go.

He hasn't had a speeding ticket in about 5 years and I don't think I've had one in 10 or 15.

I'm always late on the truck payment.

Pay my electric bill on the last possible day..........and occasionally bluff with with a 8-9 off suit in my hand.

I've got lots of holey underwear..............Buck had bad breath this morning and I think he stiffed one of the joggers a mile.

Let's see what else............we haven't had sex in five days and my period is about to start.

Are you satisfied? 8)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:03:22 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 04:48:53 PM
(http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/31105/2242891-not-This-Shit-Again.gif)

rflmao1 rflmao1

That's exactly what I thought! rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 16, 2012, 05:03:54 PM: Looks to me like she's attacking Buck Hollar (Amy's husband).

Amy and I don't always agree on everything, but she's a good person and I know enough people that know her that will back that all the way.

Not sure why an attack on Mr Hollar other than to start some kind of personal battle.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:06:03 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 16, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
Not hardly Amy I m a friend of Chandlers Father and he is not a she as Jeramy made a comment more of man more creditable than those on this site. I was told this site was all credtitable posters from OHIO that back Mr Raber

That's an inside joke.....really nothing to do with you.....just trying to lighten the mood around here.

And as far as being a backer of Marvin.......I just didn't want the man called a thief until someone could post actual charges........and I challenge to go over my posts and tell me where I've claimed otherwise.

But you obviously can't fight fair........so you pulled my hair........sorry dear.....I have a thick skull.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:07:15 PM: So you are no relation to Mr. and Mrs. Pants? dorkusinterruptus
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: careless hal on July 16, 2012, 05:09:41 PM: If you can't win one argument you start another. Striiiike two!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: careless hal on July 16, 2012, 05:12:16 PM: I may call that phone number later and just breath heavily into the phone!
rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:13:39 PM: Quote from: careless hal on July 16, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
I may call that phone number later and just breath heavily into the phone!
rflmao1

I'll be so disappointed if you don't. :-*
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 16, 2012, 05:14:10 PM: Yeah I'd take that down if I were you Amy, the scumbags from other forums would only be too happy to advertise that around.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:15:52 PM: It's my OHHA cell phone.....widely published, especially in Ohio.....same number I've had for years.........I'm a good screen-er. 8)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:17:10 PM: My other phone, Buck and I run our on-line sex video site off of............."Big Chick Turns Tricks"............OH! :o :o Gosh I hope FUzzy doesn't judge me on that!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 05:18:43 PM: heartluv heartluv Amy and I are a just couple of forgiving Christians or in my case Christian/Buddhist. A couple of years ago, I would have banned several dorkusinterruptus in this thread.

I am now the kinder, gentler Gary D. And these morons make me laugh. 4pezz2 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:20:47 PM: Besides.....sometimes we like picking wings off flies........and sending them to Heaven of course.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: srotagtbs on July 16, 2012, 05:28:08 PM: I am failing to see how Amy Holla is connected to horse theft. But I digress...
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 05:31:59 PM: Quote from: srotagtbs on July 16, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
I am failing to see how Amy Holla is connected to horse theft. But I digress...
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:33:30 PM: Quote from: srotagtbs on July 16, 2012, 05:28:08 PM
I am failing to see how Amy Holla is connected to horse theft. But I digress...

I think Fuzzypanties is trying to say what a house of ill-repute Gary is running around here when we all claim to be so lily white.

Well. duh! rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 16, 2012, 05:34:31 PM: As I posted over at BTW:

I seriously doubt that Marvin Raber is a horse thief and that's been what I've always taken issue against. Let's look at the chain of events that have taken place with this situation:

Original Owner Gives horse to Adoption "forever" home - Person in charge of Forever Home takes horse - horse is than put through "several Amish sales on the east in Ohio and Pennsylvania" - Marvin Raber - Qualified horse - battle ensues.

You have find the missing link in the chain in order to determine exactly what happened at this point.... In my opinion, this missing link holds all the answers to the questions. Really it should be easy to determine, if the owner gave the horse to this person (I would think it would be someone she knew and trusted), than that person should be the one to answer as to how the horse ended up in these multiple sales.

Does anyone disagree with that?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:36:47 PM: thumbsup

Look out......your fines for late library books is about to be posted and held against your reputation.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 05:39:42 PM: Lily white? We are a bunch of horse stealing, judge cussing (and I have indeed cussed at every one of the judges at Northfield many times, and even called Indiana judge Tim Schmitz a c********r to his face at least once), horse doping, pot smoking, beer drinking, degenerate gambling trash. I would have said white trash but we do have a Chinese member and several black members here. Plus some Canadians.

rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1

At least we are forgiven. idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:42:29 PM: Now that you mention it.....c********r, is what Buck called Bud.

He's lucky he got off with just $250. hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 05:47:59 PM: Hell I called DeVault that just last September, and Spiess...I'd like a dollar for every time I called him that.

I am not certain if I ever called Bud that to his face, but I'm sure I called him that after betting on him more than once.

Schmitz didn't fine me, but I did apologize to him the next night when I sobered up. I did not apologize for him being a c********r, only that I called him one in the bar the night before.

Old Gary D always had a pretty good amount of skill when it comes to judging people, and I hit the nail on the head that night.

8)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 16, 2012, 06:06:32 PM: This may take Devine intervention... better get The Pope of Vegas.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:04:23 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 15, 2012, 07:59:53 AM
Actually no I don't, but your friend backed down real quick. (I told Donk I would order them online but he said not to, and I told him that I will get them if I ever make it to Pittsburgh. Bettor was told if I ever stop over that is what she is getting) On the other hand you should feel secure knowing he has your back... the same friend that calls others internet tough guys but called a woman on this site trailer trash. People don't forget that. The day he did that and never apologized showed what kind of man he was.

I just want to point out, that 3 wide and winging called MyDarlin(g)One trailor trash on this site. I did not call anyone trailor trash. Yes some posts belong on the plop.

I would like to see the claims backed up that I called someone trailer trash. It appears that 3 wide calling someone that in the past has somehow made me a bad guy.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:09:42 PM: Also Amy is very loving, caring and genuine. Her husband is charming, witty and rad. I am very picky in choosing my friends, and they are two of them
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 07:11:38 PM: Listen c********r! I'm KIND caring and genuine!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:16:07 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 07:11:38 PM
Listen c********r! I'm KIND caring and genuine!

Don't make me go over there and level your yard for corn hole.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 16, 2012, 07:17:28 PM: I'm no longer trailer trash!

... not since the reposession... dorkusinterruptus
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 07:17:58 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on July 16, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
I'm no longer trailer trash!

... not since the reposession... dorkusinterruptus

SPIT TAKE! rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 07:18:22 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:16:07 PM
Don't make me go over there and level your yard for corn hole.

Don't promise me with a good time!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:19:36 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:42:29 PM
Now that you mention it.....c********r, is what Buck called Bud.

He's lucky he got off with just $250. hammerhead1

If you are going to pay someone $250 they better be an actual cock sucker.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 07:21:14 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:19:36 PM
If you are going to pay someone $250 they better be an actual cock sucker.

My point exactly.........but your charming witty and happening pal didn't follow this rule.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 07:24:11 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on July 16, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
I'm no longer trailer trash!

... not since the reposession... dorkusinterruptus

rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 16, 2012, 07:57:45 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on July 16, 2012, 07:19:36 PM
If you are going to pay someone $250 they better be an actual cock sucker.

I wont go a penny over $200.

But I live in the hood.
In a van.
Down by the river.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on July 16, 2012, 07:59:46 PM: Epic thread and all we have proven is Raber used some outdated rules in Ohio and took possession of a horse that belongs to someone else?

Raber=no good.

At least we agree on that.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 16, 2012, 09:22:40 PM: Marvin Raber is very good for harness racing. His recycling of old crippled horses and saving them from becoming dog food is very honorable. A whole lot of people just don't care-why, one guy I used to train with said "hey, dogs have to eat too." I disagree. I say let dogs eat cats!

bowdown bowdown
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM: So his these are members of the USTA and Amy is not.
The line about Horsemen's Reps not being able to hold USTA memberships is completely FALSE.

Amy is the Rep for Northfield through the Buckeye HHA, she is not a member of the USTA.

Tom Blakenship is the Rep for both Scioto and Lebanon through the same association (BHHA) and has been a member of the USTA (#8444N6) since 01/1976 expiring 12/31/12 (so current in his membership).

Also, just to name off a few more:
Terry Finch - H/R for MHHA (NY) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 3/2013)

Ozzie Cole - H/R for SHHA (NY) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 12/31/12)

Pete Antosh - H/R for PHHA (PA) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 12/31/12)

Oh and Mark Ford trainer and Usta Director so has Amy been mislead.
Much like the rest of you wanting to believe Marvin is a hero not a Zero.
Well you Buckeye state have certainly got the attention of the of many.
rescue horses crippled, forging documents to the registry to be able to fill races for racinos horse bought out of how many slaughter auctions?
By the way you have any idea how many Thoroughbreds went to rescues center and ended up in Canada in the slaughter yards? In fact Canada slaughter yards have been seending so many back to the US.
Well so much for us do gooders.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 17, 2012, 04:12:48 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
So his these are members of the USTA and Amy is not.
The line about Horsemen's Reps not being able to hold USTA memberships is completely FALSE.

Amy is the Rep for Northfield through the Buckeye HHA, she is not a member of the USTA.

Oh and Mark Ford trainer and Usta Director so has Amy been mislead.

Quote from: AmyHollar on July 16, 2012, 05:02:48 PM
No, due to my job I am not an USTA member......I've never owned a horse myself and had no desire to get my trainers license......might rethink it though. :-X

If Amy was a trainer or owner she would have a USTA license, she is neither. That is what she is saying.

She also never said that she couldn't own a horse and be the rep or train a horse and be a rep.

You also claimed that I said someone was trailer trash because I said that 3ww called someone one. Yet you don't seem to think any worse about him for it despite the fact you were making me out to seem like a bad person.

You can hate us and be mad at us or whatever all you want, but get your facts straight instead of saying misleading or inaccurate things.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 17, 2012, 05:44:03 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
So his these are members of the USTA and Amy is not.
The line about Horsemen's Reps not being able to hold USTA memberships is completely FALSE.

Jeremy pointed it out.........never said I couldn't be........there never was a reason to be...........my 18 year old son was a USTA member and owner when he was 2 years old.........I probably have 20 family members who are USTA members.........I think I have my bases covered on USTA membership........and as I alluded too, if I decide to get my trainers license in the near future I will get a USTA membership.

I used to have a stipulation on owning, training and driving horses when I was full time, but three or four years ago when things went south and all us reps went to part time we were allowed to own, train or drive.

Your attacks are now........not only baseless.......but kind of weird. idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 17, 2012, 05:58:39 PM: Just a few clear-ups for Fuzzy-Wuzzy

Quote from: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
Amy is the Rep for Northfield through the Buckeye HHA, she is not a member of the USTA.

It is the OHIO Harness Harsemen's Association.

Quote from: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
Tom Blakenship is the Rep for both Scioto and Lebanon through the same association (BHHA) and has been a member of the USTA (#8444N6) since 01/1976 expiring 12/31/12 (so current in his membership).

Tom is no longer employed as a track rep but when he was hired the board (took a while) changed their policies on reps training horses and I strongly supported him.

Quote from: fuzzypants on July 17, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
Also, just to name off a few more:
Terry Finch - H/R for MHHA (NY) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 3/2013)

Ozzie Cole - H/R for SHHA (NY) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 12/31/12)

Pete Antosh - H/R for PHHA (PA) Holds a USTA Membership (expires 12/31/12)

These gentlemen are not employed by the OHIO Harness Horsemen's Association so it is pretty irrelevant as to what they are or aren't according to the USTA.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 17, 2012, 06:08:57 PM: Now, Fuzz-ster.........all you got to do is post a couple questions and not be so gosh darn pissy and I'll gladly answer them.....like I said.......I've got lots of skeletons in my closet but few secrets any more.........I'm pretty well beyond embarrassing myself.

Further more.........why don't you answer some? Why the attacks on me? I don't advocate horse abuse........I don't advocate thievery.........I also don't advocate false accusations with out substantial proof.........I'm just kind of kooky that way...........Marvin is not a personal friend of mine, he is an acquaintance.......if my memory serves me right, he hasn't caused any trouble in the past and pretty much keeps to himself.

It's pretty simple really.........when Mr. Raber has charges brought against him you can crow about it.

Until then you keep dishing the dirt on me........for some unknown reason.........and I'll keep giggling hysterically.....because I think I'm pretty damn funny.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 17, 2012, 06:19:24 PM: Amy it is kind of like attack ads during the election season. When someone has nothing good to say about themselves they have to just attack others even if their attacks are baseless.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 17, 2012, 06:21:13 PM: WHOA! I'm the campaign manager here, not the candidate. Fuzzy-a-licious is in the wrong election.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: mo doc n on July 17, 2012, 08:08:54 PM: fuzzy ,

Where is my old horse idunno

Ryan Anderson claimed him just before 2003 and when we boycotted shipped him to Greg P. , he would not sell him back to me and these people (listed below) were the last to see him and you said they don't remember noway
It's hard to forget a horse with a knee the size of a 16 inch softball.
I know he made his way down to Mexico and they wouldn't even call me about it back in 2003.

INCREDIBLE REDNECK (T50363, G)
INCREDIBLE FINALE - JJ'S FLOWER - ALBATROSS

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GENERAL INFORMATION
Foaling Date: 04/25/1998 Sex: Gelding
Foaling Place: SHERMAN IL Color: Bay
Tattoo: Freezebrand: T5036
Death Date: S&D Last Year:
Markings: STAR; STRIP; LEFT FRONT HEEL; BOTH HIND ANKLES WHITE WITH SPOTS ON CORONETS.

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Eligibility: Yes

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CURRENT OWNER
Donald G Ratchford (4844C6) SACRAMENTO,CA Effective: 04/19/2003

Edson Lee Mitchell (620H80) Fulson,CA Effective: 04/19/2003

Certificate Mailed 04/29/03
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: eljay on July 18, 2012, 08:29:36 AM: My first post here. Closed my account at another site several years ago and wouldn't go back at the point of a gun. Have witnessed Fuzzy's verbal attacks on other posters tolerated and encouraged because her uninformed opinions matched the moderators. Found this site and am impressed with the apparent pragmatic understanding of the horse business.

Could someone inform that mental giant and wordsmith Fuzzy that PENN STATE is not in OHIO?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 18, 2012, 10:27:09 AM: I've been too busy telling her about my plumbing.................welcome!! thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 18, 2012, 12:44:06 PM: Quote from: eljay on July 18, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
My first post here. Closed my account at another site several years ago and wouldn't go back at the point of a gun. Have witnessed Fuzzy's verbal attacks on other posters tolerated and encouraged because her uninformed opinions matched the moderators. Found this site and am impressed with the apparent pragmatic understanding of the horse business.

Could someone inform that mental giant and wordsmith Fuzzy that PENN STATE is not in OHIO?
Welcome to In The Sulky Eljay. Many of us here are either in the sports as owners, trainers, grooms, or in my case, a broker. I trained and groomed horses for 22 years before entering semi-retirement as a casino dealer in Las Vegas. Yes I miss the horses every day of my life, but this site and my brokering keep me somewhat involved.

We also have many bettors here that I believe want to learn what being around horses for a living consists of. From time to time we have about as good a group of handicappers as you will find anywhere.

Hopefully we shine some light on the business, despite Amy's and my bullshit posts. Mainly we just have fun here. From time to time some folks post some serious things that cause people to actually think, but have found that most of the time many of our members would rather drink or enjoy illicit mariquana....or both.

Enjoy! thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on July 18, 2012, 01:03:09 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 18, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
Welcome to In The Sulky Eljay. Many of us here are either in the sports as owners, trainers, grooms, or in my case, a broker. I trained and groomed horses for 22 years before entering semi-retirement as a casino dealer in Las Vegas. Yes I miss the horses every day of my life, but this site and my brokering keep me somewhat involved.

We also have many bettors here that I believe want to learn what being around horses for a living consists of. From time to time we have about as good a group of handicappers as you will find anywhere.

Hopefully we shine some light on the business, despite Amy's and my bullshit posts. Mainly we just have fun here. From time to time some folks post some serious things that cause people to actually think, but have found that most of the time many of our members would rather drink or enjoy illicit mariquana....or both.

Enjoy! thumbsup

Well said Oh Fearless leader. thumbsup and Amen
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: fuzzypants on July 18, 2012, 09:11:59 PM: Quote from: mo doc n on July 17, 2012, 08:08:54 PM
fuzzy ,

Where is my old horse idunno

Ryan Anderson claimed him just before 2003 and when we boycotted shipped him to Greg P. , he would not sell him back to me and these people (listed below) were the last to see him and you said they don't remember noway
It's hard to forget a horse with a knee the size of a 16 inch softball.
I know he made his way down to Mexico and they wouldn't even call me about it back in 2003.

INCREDIBLE REDNECK (T50363, G)
INCREDIBLE FINALE - JJ'S FLOWER - ALBATROSS

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GENERAL INFORMATION
Foaling Date: 04/25/1998 Sex: Gelding
Foaling Place: SHERMAN IL Color: Bay
Tattoo: Freezebrand: T5036
Death Date: S&D Last Year:
Markings: STAR; STRIP; LEFT FRONT HEEL; BOTH HIND ANKLES WHITE WITH SPOTS ON CORONETS.

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Eligibility: Yes

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CURRENT OWNER
Donald G Ratchford (4844C6) SACRAMENTO,CA Effective: 04/19/2003

Edson Lee Mitchell (620H80) Fulson,CA Effective: 04/19/2003

Certificate Mailed 04/29/03
Mo doc n
I had friends of mine ask Ratford flat out what happen to the horse since I new damn good and welll I would not get a strait answer and the answere he gave was he couldnt remember the horse.
Which I have asked high and low and i have no answer from any other than the same one i keep getting no one remembers your horse. Am I surprised they didnt call you no and just shows me all the more how bad and disgusting the inhumane treatment of so called horsemen in every end of the racing industry really are. What do we expect a race track that hires golf ball theifs and lets them claim horse while working for the race track and then doesnt half one ounce of compassion to call you and say hay you want your horse back before we do the dirty deed of letting him disapear.
this same group gave me a trotter that was so wk he fell off the trailer he was so wk when i ran blood on him immediately the horse was starving to death I was told he wouldnt eat by the crew that had him well i guess they didnt no if you dont feed a horse he cant eat.
I hate slaughter I have been in the harness industry since 2008 and I am so disgusted by the general attitude of putting a horse last. I cannot even beging to tell you how disgusted I am of the percentage of harness horse that are feeding the slaughter train and the way owners are lied too just to get anoher horse down the road to Mexico or Canada for slaughter the industry is doomed until we take a stance against the slaughter and abuse of any of our horses.
I tried Mo Doc n but you see the attitude no one wants to openly tell the stories of how all this is happening.
Your friends here are right Im no mental giant im only here to try and make a plea that all this must stop.
People say how they miss being at the track and around horses.
I only hope some day I would be able to say I sure as hell dont miss all those that turn a blind eye to the covert practises of in humane and un ethical treatment equines have absorbed at every racetrack and at every level.
You have not suffered this loss of your horse alone many have it doesnt make it any better these situations but it has to stop.
Japan didnt make a call to Kentucky befor the slaughtered Ferdinand .
No call was made to my fellow owner Wendy when a forever home was not found for her horse Four Starz.
No call was made to Maggie Moss when she donated a Thoroughbred to a rescue organization and her horse showed up at a slaughter pin. This is exactly the covert bull to fill the slaughter trains.
But I for one will never stop.
I feel so bad for you MoDoc and I wish I had a better answer.
but as far as Im concerned the group that didnt call you are no different than all the dishonest juicers and stiffers cheaters that just demise the art of harness racing and in my opinion worse. they have shown such disrespect for horses to the point it is an acceptable practise on the pretense well every one does it !
Mo Doc N not every one does treat used race horses in that way and many of us want it stopped.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 18, 2012, 10:03:50 PM: Quote from: fuzzypants on July 18, 2012, 09:11:59 PM
just shows me all the more how bad and disgusting the inhumane treatment of so called horsemen in every end of the racing industry really are.

Well now, sister, let me tell you something: I dare you to walk into my stable and find a horse that isn't slick & shiney, with a bucket of clean fresh water, a clean stall, and hay at his feet. Look at the horses in the Hollar stable, the Brown stable, the Burke stable, the Tony Alagna stable, the Erv Miller stable, the Williams stable, etc, etc, etc.

Pull your pompous head out of your pompous ass and look around. There are many, many good horsemen in the racing business who worry more about their horses than they do about themselves. Apparently your vast 4 years of experience hasn't taught you much. I guess your right about one thing: You're no mental giant.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 18, 2012, 10:20:20 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on July 18, 2012, 10:03:50 PM
Well now, sister, let me tell you something: I dare you to walk into my stable and find a horse that isn't slick & shiney, with a bucket of clean fresh water, a clean stall, and hay at his feet. Look at the horses in the Hollar stable, the Brown stable, the Burke stable, the Tony Alagna stable, the Erv Miller stable, the Williams stable, etc, etc, etc.

Pull your pompous head out of your pompous ass and look around. There are many, many good horsemen in the racing business who worry more about their horses than they do about themselves. Apparently your vast 4 years of experience hasn't taught you much. I guess your right about one thing: You're no mental giant.

Lots of great people in the sport. A pretty large majority.

But the scumbag element is there. And they are some of the scummiest people you could come into contact with.

Back back to the original point. Instead of some of the personal bickering.

Raber yet to enter the horse in another race or a sale.

I have always thought it was his goal to get a decent qual or 2 and quietly put the horse in a sale and make his money.
All the fuss means he cant do that.

Will be intersting to see what his next move is. And if we will even know about it.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 19, 2012, 05:28:34 AM: Hey Fuzz-ster..........your friend Wendi.........you know how she has some horses racing?

Her trainer has a MAJOR violation! OH MY!

BUT......here is the best.........and I guess while you are busy calling everyone else scum bag horse abusers you kind of skipped over this one...........her driver...........who she is obviously loyal enough too, he went from California to Running Aces with her horses.............well..................I would post his fines and days for inappropriate use of the whip and drug violations, BUT I'M TOO DAMN BUSY LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!!!!!!!! rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 19, 2012, 05:50:14 AM: As the world turns..... slaphead
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 19, 2012, 01:49:25 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 19, 2012, 05:50:14 AM
As the world turns..... slaphead

Not jumping in here but to say I know Amy and Fuzzy pretty well and think neither are bad people and are trying to do what they think is right.
Both are nice and mean well.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eL44U9W_ydo/S-NL8lgWx9I/AAAAAAAAAkc/8noEwGr5o_I/s320/soap+opera.jpg)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 19, 2012, 02:40:59 PM: I'm NOT NICE! I'm KIND caring and genuine.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on July 19, 2012, 03:19:52 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on July 19, 2012, 02:40:59 PM
I'm NOT NICE! I'm KIND caring and genuine.

It didn't seem nice and well meaning when fuzzy tried to trash your family and you on this site.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on July 19, 2012, 05:19:04 PM: I bet she has a bottle of Bombay Sapphire in the mail to me as an apology.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 19, 2012, 06:24:34 PM: Well here is some further information on the topic of this thread.

Four Starz Valley was a good horse in his day. Fred Grant apparently broke and trained him his two and three year-old years. He did very little for the Grant Stable.

As a four year-old, none other than Marvin Raber trained the horse and got him qualified and sold the horse to William Fahy.

Fahy had the horse from August of 2009-May 2010, when he was apparently sold and went to a trainer named Stewart Nemiro, who raced the horse only three times before sending him back to Fahy, who scratched the horse from his qualifier in July 2010.

Starry then moved west to California to what looked like his final destination. Apparently Nathalie Tremblay trained the horse when he broke down in October 2010.

Then the horse was supposedly given away to a good home, but I have learned through my Amish sources that I was sadly mistaken about how many times he had changed hands after Ms. Wiener gave the horse away. He went through 5 different Amish owners and no less than two different Amish sales, one in Pennsylvania and one in Mt. Hope, Ohio, (and not Sugarcreek as I said earlier). I do not know why I said Sugarcreek because I spoke with one of the owners of the Mt. Hope sale and he told me the story as he knew it before I posted my due diligence.

Anyway as I said earlier, Ms. Wiener never tried to designate the horse "Pleasure Only" with the USTA until after he qualified, according my source at the USTA.

I also learned that Raber contacted Ms. Wiener both on the phone and through his attorney on more than one occasion and she apparently did not want to pay the training bill for the horse she claimed to own. Thus Marvin Raber's attorney took matters into his own hands and according to Ohio lien law, Mr. Raber now owns the horse.

As far as the horse's condition, all I know is that he will race soon. He is not lame, he is well taken care of (according to my sources), and he has gained a whole lot of weight since Raber got the horse.

With all this being said, I understand Ms. Wiener feels like she got screwed by the person who took the horse and agreed to give it a good home, but the way I see it, Marvin Raber has done absolutely nothing immoral or illegal in this matter. Fuzzpants and Ms. Wiener are mad at the wrong person if they are mad at Marvin Raber.

Now the horse may stay sound forever or may break his coffin bone again...or may colic and die tonight-only our Lord Jesus knows. I do know that Bill Fahy had a horse break a coffin bone three times many years ago, and he came back and raced.

Hopefully several people who have been bickering about the horse will see the Light and stfu about Marvin Raber. He is a friend of several friend of mine and though I have never met the guy, he is ok in my book.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on July 19, 2012, 07:03:17 PM: I wish I had the recources and the time to be a Magnum PI on this and get all the facts 100% correct.
Might even be a book in it.

Not much bickering here can do. We will all be monitoring the horse now if he ends up in a sale or racing and that will be that. Hate seeing well meaning people bicker.

I m ordering you a badge Gary.
Pick your favorite.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/stockbadges.html
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 19, 2012, 07:22:02 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 19, 2012, 07:03:17 PM
I wish I had the recources and the time to be a Magnum PI on this and get all the facts 100% correct.
Might even be a book in it.

Not much bickering here can do. We will all be monitoring the horse now if he ends up in a sale or racing and that will be that. Hate seeing well meaning people bicker.

I m ordering you a badge Gary.
Pick your favorite.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/stockbadges.html
Nobody has Ohio harness racing resources like old Gary D, laddie. Nobody! idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on July 19, 2012, 09:04:43 PM: Heaven forbid if a racehorse was deemed unraceable came back and had a good career. 4pezz2
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 20, 2012, 10:43:14 AM: Libel written by Fuzzy on Raber:

With that many damn animals on the freeway bet you the sorry SON OF A BEACH has a puppy mill at home .
Marvin you have to be so damn inbred if you married your cousin it would be an outcross. You common SOB.
Marvin Raber the horse industry raper. YOu common ass korn holn crap hell has no hiding place you sick SOB. We are all lookn for you now every horse you own will be found no matter where you commn inbred ass hides them or moves them.. dont the sorry inbred bastard can read.

Apart from the atrocious spelling, grammar and word choice (and the libel) it's funny that before she started firing stones, she forgot about the glass house she lived in...

Fuzzy you do know that the trainer that Wendi Weiner employs, Nathalie Tremblay has had positive tests in the past for drug violations? One on old Arch Nemeses. She's also been involved in hidden ownership, and was stupid enough to go the judges about it: http://www.chrb.ca.gov/Stewards/Minutes/Minutes_Cal_Expo/Minutes_CE_12_01_29.pdf

Plus she was front and center vouching for a guy who was admittedly cheating, taking money to go in the tank. http://www.chrb.ca.gov/board/board_decisions/Decision_RB_10_01_15.pdf

So that's Wendi Weiner's buddy and trainer. Maybe you should start one of your tirades on her. Hell maybe that's the connection from the horse to Raber... In fact wasn't it her trainer that advised this retirement home in the first place? She's already proven she's mixed up in drugs, shady deals and shady characters... Your hero Weimer sure picked a beauty to train her animals. Do you "aprove" of her choice?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on July 20, 2012, 03:26:47 PM: Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

bowdown bowdown bowdown
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Giss on July 20, 2012, 04:03:32 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 20, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

bowdown bowdown bowdown

RACK HIM!

(And lock the thread)
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on July 20, 2012, 04:44:32 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on July 20, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
Dave we are not here to engage in a pissing match with fuzzy or anyone else. She does not have even the slightest clue how many hours I actually spent researching this matter, nor how many people I actually talked to about the matter. She has probably heard from exactly one person, who is probably a friend of hers.

Now I do not know Ms. Wiener at all, nor do I know Marvin Raber. I do not know Nathalie Tremblay, though I do know she is a very good horse trainer, as is Marvin Raber.

I assume all the people involved are good people. Now miss fuzzypants is more than likely a good person as well, though she is extremely gullible if she believes the horse was designated "Pleasure Only" in 2011. That was not the case in any way, shape, or form according to the USTA. Had the horse been so designated before Ms. Wiener gave the horse up, such a designation never changes, period, also according to the USTA.

Now, Ms. Wiener could not possibly have known what the lady named Linda would actually do to her horse, and if she did, she would never have handled the matter the way she handled it.

I bear no ill will toward anyone who loves horses. Matter of fact, it is common knowledge that In The Sulky has supported New Vocations Horse Adoption for retired horses, as well as the Christian Harness Horsemen's Association for many years. (By the way, Tracy Brainard bought our donations at at least one auction benefitting New Vocations.) The problem is, every t must be crossed and every i must be dotted if you want your horse to remain retired forever.

And by the way, Nathalie Tremblay standing up for a guy who made a mistake was also a very good thing to do! I congratulate her for it.

bowdown bowdown bowdown

I didn't start the pissing match, but if you're going to write the things that this person wrote about a man she doesn't know about a situation she isn't fully briefed upon, than she should be prepared to take a little back. Especially when everything I posted was actually factual.

As far as Tremblay sticking up for a guy who took money to go in the tank.... I have no time for that at all... The guy admits he took the cash, the only reason he's sorry is that per his own admission he doesn't have any other skills that would transfer over to the real world. To me that's just apologizing because you got caught, and to let him back in does nothing to protect the best interests of the betting public.

That's my opinion though, and I didn't have to resort to libeling the man. Unlike some other mostly illiterate people here.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 05, 2012, 05:37:52 AM: Why have we all not been informed as to the identity of the person who was given the horse originally?
You have 2 clowns championing the cause of the original owner and trainer, yet they won't name who the horse was given to. Why?
Of the 2 clowns, 1 is a blithering idiot who cannot write a coherant sentence, the other is a suspected drug trainer from NY.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on August 05, 2012, 02:24:10 PM: If someone knows answer to The Gripper's question could this possibly end this thread? 4pezz2
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 05, 2012, 08:40:16 PM: Some lady named Linda, allegedly. She has allegedly done the same with many other horses from the Garden State since she stopped sending them to slaughter in Arizona.

Now this is second hand information, but it is from an Amishman, so I doubt it would not be true.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 05, 2012, 09:35:01 PM: I confess! I stole the horse to plow my garden, but since it doesn't rain here anymore I won't be able to get hay to feed him.

Crime solved.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 06, 2012, 05:08:10 AM: All of a sudden I am no longer a bad guy.............or am I? dorkusinterruptus
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 06, 2012, 08:35:01 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on August 06, 2012, 05:08:10 AM
All of a sudden I am no longer a bad guy.............or am I? dorkusinterruptus
You're a GUY? Dang, I was flirting with you for nothing. (or maybe I'm a gay horse thief) idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 06, 2012, 09:06:28 AM: I knew you were a liberal!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 06, 2012, 09:15:09 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on August 06, 2012, 09:06:28 AM
I knew you were a liberal!
Now you dragged me out of the closet. 4pezz2
... it was bound to happen eventually. :'(
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: careless hal on August 06, 2012, 10:26:03 AM: I almost drove off the road when I passed this pick-up with a big Obama/Biden X2 bumper sticker and saw JS driving! He is hard to spot! Top of his head just barely clears the dash!
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 06, 2012, 10:39:27 AM: Quote from: careless hal on August 06, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
I almost drove off the road when I passed this pick-up with a big Obama/Biden X2 bumper sticker and saw JS driving! He is hard to spot! Top of his head just barely clears the dash!
That was my taller brother... I can't see over the dash unless I sit on Pezzy's shoulders.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: thefactsonly matter on August 06, 2012, 12:29:21 PM: Gary i think the ladys name is actually Diane
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 06, 2012, 12:39:33 PM: Quote from: thefactsonly matter on August 06, 2012, 12:29:21 PM
Gary i think the ladys name is actually Diane
Very possible. I had it written down somewhere at one point in time when I was talking to one of my Amish buddies on the phone. I winged this post from memory (my failing memory!).
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 06, 2012, 02:47:19 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on August 06, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
That was my taller brother... I can't see over the dash unless I sit on Pezzy's shoulders.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Max R on August 10, 2012, 06:15:18 AM: Marvin Raber was denied entry of the horse he illegally obtained Four Star Valley.

This is a horse that was designated PHO(Pleasure Horse Only) and was donated to what was believed to be a good home. Through some criminal act the horse was moved to Ohio and then sold through an Amish sale. The buyer was also the seller...

She is in to go at Batavia on Sunday and we need your help to stop this horse who has a history of injuries and was deemed unraceable by a licensed veterinarian.

Also Marvin Raber is the same fella who put a couple hundred animals at risk and caused there death in the following story.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warr..._80_wreck.html

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Live News Story

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek, tried to change lanes and struck a guide rail, causing livestock to spill onto the highway.
Batavia Downs
8315 Park Rd.
Batavia, NY 14020
(585) 343-3750
http://www.batavia-downs.com/

Joseph Zambito-RACING SECRETARY--Ext 304
Ginny Rosenfeld--Asst.Race Sec./Program Dir--Ext 302
DIRECT LINE **585-344-6161**

I am looking for email addresses for Batavia Downs folks now!!!

Please also reach out to the NY State Racing and Wager Board.
info@racing.ny.gov
518-395-5400
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:52:25 AM: Quote from: Max R on August 10, 2012, 06:15:18 AM
Marvin Raber was denied entry of the horse he illegally obtained Four Star Valley.

This is a horse that was designated PHO(Pleasure Horse Only) and was donated to what was believed to be a good home. Through some criminal act the horse was moved to Ohio and then sold through an Amish sale. The buyer was also the seller...

She is in to go at Batavia on Sunday and we need your help to stop this horse who has a history of injuries and was deemed unraceable by a licensed veterinarian.

Also Marvin Raber is the same fella who put a couple hundred animals at risk and caused there death in the following story.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warr..._80_wreck.html

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Live News Story

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek, tried to change lanes and struck a guide rail, causing livestock to spill onto the highway.
Batavia Downs
8315 Park Rd.
Batavia, NY 14020
(585) 343-3750
http://www.batavia-downs.com/

Joseph Zambito-RACING SECRETARY--Ext 304
Ginny Rosenfeld--Asst.Race Sec./Program Dir--Ext 302
DIRECT LINE **585-344-6161**

I am looking for email addresses for Batavia Downs folks now!!!

Please also reach out to the NY State Racing and Wager Board.
info@racing.ny.gov
518-395-5400

I have called and reached out.

A casino wants to run this?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:00:15 AM: Quote from: Max R on August 10, 2012, 06:15:18 AM
Marvin Raber was denied entry of the horse he illegally obtained Four Star Valley.

This is a horse that was designated PHO(Pleasure Horse Only) and was donated to what was believed to be a good home. Through some criminal act the horse was moved to Ohio and then sold through an Amish sale. The buyer was also the seller...

She is in to go at Batavia on Sunday and we need your help to stop this horse who has a history of injuries and was deemed unraceable by a licensed veterinarian.

Also Marvin Raber is the same fella who put a couple hundred animals at risk and caused there death in the following story.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warr..._80_wreck.html

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Live News Story

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek, tried to change lanes and struck a guide rail, causing livestock to spill onto the highway.
Batavia Downs
8315 Park Rd.
Batavia, NY 14020
(585) 343-3750
http://www.batavia-downs.com/

Joseph Zambito-RACING SECRETARY--Ext 304
Ginny Rosenfeld--Asst.Race Sec./Program Dir--Ext 302
DIRECT LINE **585-344-6161**

I am looking for email addresses for Batavia Downs folks now!!!

Please also reach out to the NY State Racing and Wager Board.
info@racing.ny.gov
518-395-5400

Max
Why would a casino offering gambling to people offer this to?
It seems distasteful.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:16:21 AM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:00:15 AM
Max
Why would a casino offering gambling to people offer this to?
It seems distasteful.

Scratched out.

Carry on.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 11:29:10 AM: The horse has been cleared to race by the OSRC, the Valley View vet clinic, and the state vet. Why do you assholes think you are smarter than two vets? Bunch of damm busy bodies. I hope the motherf**ker races and makes 100,000.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 11:31:56 AM: I'm still trying to figure out how Raber is a horse thief. idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 01:08:50 PM: If I owned this horse and was prevented from racing him after the OSRC, two vets, and the state declared the horse ok to race, I would get him out of my name and send him to the nearest slaughterhouse and have pictures taken of him being slaughtered, skinned, and butchered, and then post them all over the internet.

Maybe then these assholes would stfu when they don't know what they are talking about.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:10:45 PM: Quote from: Max R on August 10, 2012, 06:15:18 AM
Marvin Raber was denied entry of the horse he illegally obtained Four Star Valley.

This is a horse that was designated PHO(Pleasure Horse Only) and was donated to what was believed to be a good home. Through some criminal act the horse was moved to Ohio and then sold through an Amish sale. The buyer was also the seller...

She is in to go at Batavia on Sunday and we need your help to stop this horse who has a history of injuries and was deemed unraceable by a licensed veterinarian.

Also Marvin Raber is the same fella who put a couple hundred animals at risk and caused there death in the following story.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warr..._80_wreck.html

Originally Posted by Lehigh Valley Live News Story

An estimated 80 sheep, goats and calves were killed Aug. 26 when Marvin Dale Raber, of Apple Creek, tried to change lanes and struck a guide rail, causing livestock to spill onto the highway.
Batavia Downs
8315 Park Rd.
Batavia, NY 14020
(585) 343-3750
http://www.batavia-downs.com/

Joseph Zambito-RACING SECRETARY--Ext 304
Ginny Rosenfeld--Asst.Race Sec./Program Dir--Ext 302
DIRECT LINE **585-344-6161**

I am looking for email addresses for Batavia Downs folks now!!!

Please also reach out to the NY State Racing and Wager Board.
info@racing.ny.gov
518-395-5400
The horse was not illegally as you dopes have suggested. Keep listening to the NY dog trainer / ex moderator that has started a story based on a pack of lies.
Hey Doherty, go take care of your rats, and your horses too. Don't worry about a horse that doesn't belong to you. Marvin Raber saved the horse's life. Star was in horrible condition when he obtained him, half starved to death. The original owner dumped the horse.
The big question is who was the horse given to. Why hasn't this person been named. Something funny going on? Doherty and her friend from Cali better take a good long look in the mirror and stop calling decent horsemen thieves. The original owner from Cali dumped the freaking horse. If she was so concerned she should have kept it.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:19:48 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
If I owned this horse and was prevented from racing him after the OSRC, two vets, and the state declared the horse ok to race, I would get him out of my name and send him to the nearest slaughterhouse and have pictures taken of him being slaughtered, skinned, and butchered, and then post them all over the internet.

Maybe then these assholes would stfu when they don't know what they are talking about.
I hope the horse does get slaughtered and pictures get sent to Doherty's house.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:38:28 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
I hope the horse does get slaughtered and pictures get sent to Doherty's house.
Well here we go.

I want a leg tied to the starting car. And drug around.

I will bet on it
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:39:19 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
Well here we go.

I want a leg tied to the starting car. And drug around.

I will bet on it
GSAC
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: eljay on August 10, 2012, 01:40:28 PM: The HORSE was freely given. Were not the papers held electronically? The "pleasure only" desigantion was placed on the electronically held papers long after the horse was freely given. How can you lemmings continue to state the horse was stolen?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:40:57 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
I hope the horse does get slaughtered and pictures get sent to Doherty's house.

I bet he doesnt race on the 12th
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:42:42 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
I bet he doesnt race on the 12th
I bet you can GSAC
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:45:04 PM: Quote from: eljay on July 18, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
My first post here. Closed my account at another site several years ago and wouldn't go back at the point of a gun. Have witnessed Fuzzy's verbal attacks on other posters tolerated and encouraged because her uninformed opinions matched the moderators. Found this site and am impressed with the apparent pragmatic understanding of the horse business.

Could someone inform that mental giant and wordsmith Fuzzy that PENN STATE is not in OHIO?
Go over to Barn To Wire and take a look at Fuzzy's posting style. The later in the day she posts, the more incoherant she gets. Thats what cheap gin will do to you.
Hey Fuzzy you non-reading piece of trash..............GSAC
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:45:46 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:42:42 PM
I bet you can GSAC

I bet you common POS that the horse doesnt race on the 12th.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:48:40 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
Go over to Barn To Wire and take a look at Fuzzy's posting style. The later in the day she posts, the more incoherant she gets. Thats what cheap gin will do to you.
Hey Fuzzy you non-reading piece of trash..............GSAC

You are are very common piece of shit.

You find me at various tracks.

This isnt Jeremy either.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:53:41 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
You are are very common piece of shit.

You find me at various tracks.

This isnt Jeremy either.
I dont care who you are or where you are. GSAC, I've read on other forums that you do that well.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:57:56 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:53:41 PM
I dont care who you are or where you are. GSAC, I've read on other forums that you do that well.

Oh boy.

Do you have to always be so common?

Cant you have any respect for yourself?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 02:07:22 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
Oh boy.

Do you have to always be so common?

Cant you have any respect for yourself?
Why don't you and Fuzz and the Doherty chick all GSAC?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 02:09:13 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
Thats what cheap gin will do to you.

Whew.....I drink Bombay Sapphire.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on August 10, 2012, 02:11:25 PM: Funny how the gripper has turned this thread into complete trash. Just like his father and Sean Campbell.

Total f**king dogshit.

Bar me if you want.

Marvin Raber is a worthless human horse thief. He took advantage of a situation. A good person would have turned the horse over to its original owners. Not bought the horse from himself in a damn hillbilly amish auction.

What a freaking joke...it is undefendable.

If she gets to race on Sunday and she goes down and kills someone, how will you feel?

Like the trash you are...regardless 4 months to heal a coffin bone is impractical and impossible.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 02:12:35 PM: Quote from: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 02:09:13 PM

Whew.....I drink Bombay Sapphire.
You're good, your coherence is reflected within your writing.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 02:35:34 PM: (http://inthesulky.com/pics/fourstarzvalley.pdf)

Look what the OSRC says about the matter. Now I doubt this will silence you idiots, but at least you will be informed idiots now.

As I said before, I would not be the least bit surprised if this horse never had a broken P-3. Only a total idiot would disagree with the veterinarians (not one, there is an "s", morons!) who have most recently examined the horse.

As I have said, Old Gary D. is a journalist. I find out the real truth about stuff, not some bullshit that some dumbass said on an internet forum. I have never met Marvin Raber and would not know him if he walked in this room right now. I have never met Wendi Wiener and would not know her either. I have no stake in this matter whatsoever, but right is right. Marvin Raber bought this horse, he was not designated as "Pleasure Only" to the USTA until after the horse had been sold several times, and this is according to the USTA who would be happy to tell anyone that asks the answer to that question.

If I were Raber, I would be suing anyone who attempts to prevent the horse from racing, and suing them for a whole lot of money. If Ron Burke were training this horse, his bill would now be in excess of $30,000. If Ms. Wiener wants the horse that badly, I am fairly certain Mr. Raber would gladly sell the horse to her a little cheaper than that.

You people who want the horse retired so badly should all chip in a few grand each and Mr. Raber would possibly sell him to you and you can do whatever you want with him. He is probably sounder than the majority of $10,000 claimers and below that are racing today.

By the way, I will be forwarding this letter to Batavia Downs as well.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 02:45:48 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 02:35:34 PM
(http://inthesulky.com/pics/fourstarzvalley.pdf)

Look what the OSRC says about the matter. Now I doubt this will silence you idiots, but at least you will be informed idiots now.

As I said before, I would not be the least bit surprised if this horse never had a broken P-3. Only a total idiot would disagree with the veterinarians (not one, there is an "s", morons!) who have most recently examined the horse.

As I have said, Old Gary D. is a journalist. I find out the real truth about stuff, not some bullshit that some dumbass said on an internet forum. I have never met Marvin Raber and would not know him if he walked in this room right now. I have never met Wendi Wiener and would not know her either. I have no stake in this matter whatsoever, but right is right. Marvin Raber bought this horse, he was not designated as "Pleasure Only" to the USTA until after the horse had been sold several times, and this is according to the USTA who would be happy to tell anyone that asks the answer to that question.

If I were Raber, I would be suing anyone who attempts to prevent the horse from racing, and suing them for a whole lot of money. If Ron Burke were training this horse, his bill would now be in excess of $30,000. If Ms. Wiener wants the horse that badly, I am fairly certain Mr. Raber would gladly sell the horse to her a little cheaper than that.

You people who want the horse retired so badly should all chip in a few grand each and Mr. Raber would possibly sell him to you and you can do whatever you want with him. He is probably sounder than the majority of $10,000 claimers and below that are racing today.

By the way, I will be forwarding this letter to Batavia Downs as well.
Good post. Why is it we still don't know WHO the horse was supposedly given to first, and WHAT that person did with it?
The Doherty chick from NY who broke the story was so adament about putting the blame on Raber. Why? Who is she protecting? I think it was all a big smoke screen to protect the person the horse was given to. I smell a coverup and my opinion is that this Doherty broad plotted right from the start.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 10, 2012, 06:03:36 PM: Why did my name get brought up and why does someone else keep saying game shows are cool?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:08:11 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on August 10, 2012, 06:03:36 PM
Why did my name get brought up and why does someone else keep saying game shows are cool?

Scratched again.

If anyone wants to sue me.

I am available.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:14:21 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 02:45:48 PM
Good post. Why is it we still don't know WHO the horse was supposedly given to first, and WHAT that person did with it?
The Doherty chick from NY who broke the story was so adament about putting the blame on Raber. Why? Who is she protecting? I think it was all a big smoke screen to protect the person the horse was given to. I smell a coverup and my opinion is that this Doherty broad plotted right from the start.

Maybe you and the horse can go on the road and do a one trick pony show.
Its been done before.
They call it circus freak shows.
Afterwards please sue me.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 10, 2012, 06:19:55 PM: I think I just got lost on this thread. dorkusinterruptus
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 10, 2012, 06:26:49 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on August 10, 2012, 06:19:55 PM
I think I just got lost on this thread. dorkusinterruptus

I think that is a good thing.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 06:41:26 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on August 10, 2012, 06:26:49 PM
I think that is a good thing.
thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 06:49:16 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:08:11 PM
Scratched again.

If anyone wants to sue me.

I am available.
GSAC at the other forum.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 06:49:30 PM: So the horse got scratched because he didn't have a good line in the past 30 days. Not because of 3WWW or any of the other idiots calling Batavia.

How do I know? I called Batavia. I bet the horse races next week elsewhere. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 10, 2012, 06:56:11 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:14:21 PM
Maybe you and the horse can go on the road and do a one trick pony show.
Its been done before.
They call it circus freak shows.
Afterwards please sue me.
Maybe you can GSAC.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:57:25 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 06:49:30 PM
So the horse got scratched because he didn't have a good line in the past 30 days. Not because of 3WWW or any of the other idiots calling Batavia.

How do I know? I called Batavia. I bet the horse races next week elsewhere. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1

And I bet theres a big bunch of stink about it.

And thanks for calling me an idiot.

thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 07:01:06 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 06:57:25 PM
And I bet theres a big bunch of stink about it.

And thanks for calling me an idiot.

thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
You are an idiot. You fall for women's b.s. too easily. rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:10:33 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
You are an idiot. You fall for women's b.s. too easily. rflmao1

Seriously why race this horse?

Maybe its legal etc etc.

At best at this point its borderline ethical. If ethical at all.

You shouldnt have to run from state to state to try to drop your horse in.

Anyway it is what it is. And I did what my conscience told me to do.
I will be suprised if he races this horse anywhere.
If he does good luck to him.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 07:19:22 PM: Why would he not race the horse? Because it hurts someone else's feelings that they gave the horse away and now he returns to the races? He owns it, if the horse trotted in 2:00, the horse has to be pretty damned sound, and a P3 fracture is something that often heals itself if given the correct amount of time. I'm thinking this is more about hurt feelings and embarrassment than anything else.

I certainly would race him. As I said, I don't know Marvin Raber at all, but I do know I would have been racing him since the day he qualified if he was my horse. I learned long ago that horses come back from far worse injuries than a p3 fracture. Hell that is not even that serious in most cases.

Nothing unethical here whatsoever.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:44:57 PM: I think if he could easily just race the horse he would.

Its 5 hours from Northfield to Batavia?

He is going to do a 5 hour ship each week?

I get that maybe he has a right to race the horse.
But its really worth all this?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 10, 2012, 07:56:23 PM: It would be if you owned the horse. Many northern Ohio horses race at Batavia because the purses are over double. I raced there many, many times when I worked for Don Irvine. And ask yourself a question: how lame can a horse be if the guy wants to race him on a half-mile track for good purses? Think he wants to take him there to be embarrassed?

I would love to sit behind this horse myself and report to the world just how sound he is.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 08:20:29 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
I think if he could easily just race the horse he would.

Its 5 hours from Northfield to Batavia?

He is going to do a 5 hour ship each week?

I get that maybe he has a right to race the horse.
But its really worth all this?

2 and a half hours.........lots of our trainers ship there.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 08:42:22 PM: Time will tell.

Gary and Amy and (even) Jeremy thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

Gripper not so much.

When in doubt I will side with the horse.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Skipper on August 10, 2012, 08:52:41 PM: hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 10, 2012, 09:17:37 PM: Quote from: The Skipper on August 10, 2012, 08:52:41 PM
hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1
rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 03:33:41 AM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 10, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
I think if he could easily just race the horse he would.

Its 5 hours from Northfield to Batavia?

He is going to do a 5 hour ship each week?

I get that maybe he has a right to race the horse.
But its really worth all this?
What part of the pack of lies don't you get? Why is this SCUMBAG named Doherty protecting the person the horse was originally given to? What happened from there?
All that has been told is Mr. Raber forged somed paperwork, which by the way is another Doherty lie. The scumbag scanned and posted an electronic registration and claimed Mr. Raber forged Wendi's name. Show us all the signature, thats what I say.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE,THE HORSE WAS DUMPED! A FORMER JEALOUS OWNER COULDN'T HANDLE IT WHEN THE HORSE MADE IT BACK TO QUALIFY. THEN AND ONLY THEN DID WENDI STEP UP AND SAY IT WAS TO BE DESIGNATED A PHO. TOO LATE, YOU LOSE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE DESIGNATION ON A HORSE YOU DO NOT OWN, STICK YOUR REGISTRATION PAPERS UP YOUR BUNGHOLE WENDI.
GET A GRIP. AS FOR 3WW, GSAC, I'VE READ SOMEWHERE BEFORE THAT YOU DO THAT VERY WELL.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on August 11, 2012, 07:09:34 AM: The horse is a mare, making her a SHE...
Raber failed to notate the animal cruelty from NJ on his NY license.
He is done, maybe time for McDonald's.

Nice of The Gripper to continue his campaign of slandering good people trying to look out for a horse...

Raber is 100% wrong, this is no jealousy, it is fact. Wendi owned the horse prior to the phoney amish sale...Raber ochestrated the sale to illegally obtain the horse.

"Hi would like to try a value meal today?"
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Giss on August 11, 2012, 09:06:54 AM: Quote from: AmyHollar on August 10, 2012, 08:20:29 PM

2 and a half hours.........lots of our trainers ship there.

Amy, driving at what 115MPH? Not five hours either. It IS all Freeway/Thruway. 228 miles. 3 1/2 maybe hauling a trailer. But actually only 15 miles farther than Lebanon would be.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 11, 2012, 09:13:30 AM: Hoosier Park is 6 1/2 hrs roundtrip for us, but was always well worth it. Nice place to race.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on August 11, 2012, 10:18:53 AM: thumbsup

Quote from: javelina on July 16, 2012, 07:59:46 PM
Epic thread and all we have proven is Raber used some outdated rules in Ohio and took possession of a horse that belongs to someone else?

Raber=no good.

At least we agree on that.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 10:33:17 AM: We still need to know WHO this Wendi broad gave the horse to originally. WHY is this Doherty chick covering up that fact? Was an 8 ball of crack involved?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on August 11, 2012, 11:07:22 AM: Minus the 8 ball of crack comment, that is a legitimate question. What is the identity of the person to whom the horse was originally given? Why will no one name this mysterious person? How did the horse get from that person to another?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 11:15:54 AM: Quote from: Headpole Dave on August 11, 2012, 11:07:22 AM
Minus the 8 ball of crack comment, that is a legitimate question. What is the identity of the person to whom the horse was originally given? Why will no one name this mysterious person? How did the horse get from that person to another?
Who was it given to and why did that person get rid of it? None of that matters to the liars and do gooders, their only concern is to slander an innocent man by calling him a horse thief.
This whole story WREAKS of a cover up. The horse in in on Sunday, I hope he crushes the field.

RACE 2 - Batavia Downs - NY - August 12, 2012

Conditions:

CLAIMING $10,000. AE: NON WINNERS $3,000 LAST 5 STARTS ($7,700 PURSE BAR).

Gait: Trot Purse: $6,000 Class: NW3000L5 Distance: 1 Mile Planned Post Time: 1:30 PM

PP

Horse

Med

2012 Year to Date

Driver

Trainer

ML

Base

Sts

W

P

S

Time

Earnings

Stable

Odds

Claim

1

Perfect Man

L

23

2

3

5

2:02.3H

$22454

David Mcneight III

David Mc Neight Jr

5-2

2

Holy Smokes

L

19

3

2

3

1:58.4H

$26466

John Cummings Jr

Christopher Naedele

3-1

3

Right Back At You

23

8

5

1

1:56.3S

$53939

Shawn Gray

Darrin Monti

5-1

4

Romeo Star

L

15

3

3

1

1:56.1F

$15164

Shawn McDonough

Frank Mastrodonato

4-1

10000

5

Off The Grid

L

18

3

1

1

1:58.3H

$15417

Ken Koch

Lisa Zgodzinski

6-1

6

Mr Butterworth

10

0

1

5

-

$3489

Ray Fisher Jr

Steven Weaver

8-1

7

Four Starz Valley

0

0

0

0

-

$0

Marvin Raber

Marvin Raber

15-1

10000

8

High Jingo

L

16

1

4

2

1:59.3H

$16035

Kevin Cummings

Lisa Lederhouse

10-1

AE1

Ulay Boko

L

16

3

4

0

1:55.0S

$18285

Dan Noble

Tracy Brainard

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Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 11:34:00 AM: The horse is scratched Sunday.
I guess you lack reading comprehension rflmao1

will be interesting to see where Raber goes now.
As it appears Batavia doesnt want him either.

I thnk people are waiting in each state to complain whereever he goes.

Ive had some minor contact with the woman on FB.
Seems liek a nice lady who only cares about the horse.

She never made a dime on the horse and if she got her back now she wouldnt make a dime again.

Otherwise good afternoon all!
Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 11, 2012, 11:47:37 AM: Quote from: The Giss on August 11, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
Amy, driving at what 115MPH? Not five hours either. It IS all Freeway/Thruway. 228 miles. 3 1/2 maybe hauling a trailer. But actually only 15 miles farther than Lebanon would be.

I forgot Buffalo is the closer one. thumbsup
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 11:56:01 AM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 11:49:13 AM
The fact that I may be ignorant

Of this I thnk we are all in agreement.

bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 12:07:23 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
Of this I thnk we are all in agreement.

bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown bowdown
"WE"? You and the BTW and Horseplop minions? Is that the "we" you are referring to? The "we" that fabricated a story fueled by lies and half truths.
The questions remain the same. Who did Wendi give the horse to, and Why? Were drugs somehow involved?
You and all your minions can GSAC. I've read before that you do that very well.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 12:19:13 PM: Quote from: javelina on August 11, 2012, 07:09:34 AM
The horse is a mare, making her a SHE...
Raber failed to notate the animal cruelty from NJ on his NY license.
He is done, maybe time for McDonald's.

Nice of The Gripper to continue his campaign of slandering good people trying to look out for a horse...

Raber is 100% wrong, this is no jealousy, it is fact. Wendi owned the horse prior to the phoney amish sale...Raber ochestrated the sale to illegally obtain the horse.

"Hi would like to try a value meal today?"
Why are the idiots calling Four Starz Valley a she? She must be the first female gelding ever. Dumbasses don't even know what you are arguing about, and you are supposed to be credible?

rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: eljay on August 11, 2012, 12:45:07 PM: Gonna have to disagree here..... had Martha Maxine been spayed would not she have been a female gelding? rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 12:54:53 PM: Quote from: eljay on August 11, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
Gonna have to disagree here..... had Martha Maxine been spayed would not she have been a female gelding? rflmao1 rflmao1
Excellent point, but I'm thinking he/she would actually have had to be gelded to call he/she a gelding.

??? ??? ???
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 01:43:59 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on July 19, 2012, 07:03:17 PM
I wish I had the recources and the time to be a Magnum PI on this and get all the facts 100% correct.
Might even be a book in it.

Not much bickering here can do. We will all be monitoring the horse now if he ends up in a sale or racing and that will be that. Hate seeing well meaning people bicker.

I m ordering you a badge Gary.
Pick your favorite.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/stockbadges.html
So you don't know all the facts, yet you are calling racing office's and telling them that the horse shouldn't be allowed to race??? WTF. How about you mind your own business? What if "everything you read" ,that you believe is true, is completely and totally false? Then what? Are all the people, like yourself, going to come on here and apologize for making a complete ASS of themselves? Of course you won't, just like the Peta asshole's. Don't know what really happened but scream that you do! Comical at best.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 01:55:26 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
So you don't know all the facts, yet you are calling racing office's and telling them that the horse shouldn't be allowed to race??? WTF. How about you mind your own business? What if "everything you read" ,that you believe is true, is completely and totally false? Then what? Are all the people, like yourself, going to come on here and apologize for making a complete ASS of themselves? Of course you won't, just like the Peta asshole's. Don't know what really happened but scream that you do! Comical at best.
Great point Grape. The whole story begins at the point the horse was originally given away. Nobody knows exacly how Mr. Raber obtained the horse, but the minions see no problem in telling lies and half truths to try to fill in the blanks.
It all wreaks very badly of a cover up with Raber as the fall guy. Were drugs involved?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 02:00:38 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
So you don't know all the facts, yet you are calling racing office's and telling them that the horse shouldn't be allowed to race??? WTF. How about you mind your own business? What if "everything you read" ,that you believe is true, is completely and totally false? Then what? Are all the people, like yourself, going to come on here and apologize for making a complete ASS of themselves? Of course you won't, just like the Peta asshole's. Don't know what really happened but scream that you do! Comical at best.
He knows all the facts because I told him the facts, but he also has been told a lot of bullshit by someone who supposedly knows the "facts", and her "facts" only serve to put her into a more positive light than if this horse goes on and wins a lot of money.

And oh yes, the horse is cleared in Ohio. Let them protest and waste all the time and energy they want to waste. dorkusinterruptus

And yes, I know exactly how Mr. Raber got the horse. He bought the horse after it had already been sold several times. The funny and ironic part of all of this is that the horse could easily have wound up in a can or a lion's pen, but Mr. Raber saved the horse from death, and now they want to screw Mr. Raber.

It's really not hard to find out the facts. Just call the USTA.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:08:58 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
So you don't know all the facts, yet you are calling racing office's and telling them that the horse shouldn't be allowed to race??? WTF. How about you mind your own business? What if "everything you read" ,that you believe is true, is completely and totally false? Then what? Are all the people, like yourself, going to come on here and apologize for making a complete ASS of themselves? Of course you won't, just like the Peta asshole's. Don't know what really happened but scream that you do! Comical at best.

Nope just calling around and posting on places like Batavias FB to make sure the horse gets scratched.
And he did.
Working on Zanesville now.

Unless comes to MD though jsut a hobby for me. Not much more I can do.

I do recomend you try some of the other forums for a different "take" on this situation.

Still waiting on the great state of ohio to allow him to race. Its been over a month now.

The beat goes on.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:12:24 PM: In case you missed it here is what I did with Batavia. And making a call only takes a minute. Not hard at all.

If you goto thier site on FB can see the other comments.

I can also give you the number for Zanesville if yuo want to call.
And then the next track etc etc.

Andrew Bell

I see Marvin Raber has a pleasure horse racing on the 12th.
The horse was denied entry in Ohio so he will come here?
People bet on a pleasure horse (designated by the USTA),
Can you put in the program a broken coffen bone?

Like
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 02:15:12 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
Nope just calling around and posting on places like Batavias FB to make sure the horse gets scratched.
And he did.
Working on Zanesville now.

Unless comes to MD though jsut a hobby for me. Not much more I can do.

I do recomend you try some of the other forums for a different "take" on this situation.

Still waiting on the great state of ohio to allow him to race. Its been over a month now.

The beat goes on.
It had nothing to do with you calling batavia that the horse got scratched!!!!!! It was the 30 day rule and not your phone call! My God! So because you read it on another forum, that makes them right?? Do you even read some of the facts that are being posted or just choose to read what you want cause it backs up you being a busy body? FACT! THE HORSE IS CLEARED TO RACE IN OHIO!! Did you miss that post or just chose to ignore it?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:18:52 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
It had nothing to do with you calling batavia that the horse got scratched!!!!!! It was the 30 day rule and not your phone call! My God! So because you read it on another forum, that makes them right?? Do you even read some of the facts that are being posted or just choose to read what you want cause it backs up you being a busy body? FACT! THE HORSE IS CLEARED TO RACE IN OHIO!! Did you miss that post or just chose to ignore it?

Lets see him get entered and race.
He was not scratched till after the uproar.

FACT
He hasnt raced in ohio in over month.
Raber the kind man giving him a month off!

Lets see about monday at the fair.
I do feel sorry for the race sec having to field all of us idiots bothering him.

And letting him knwo he has a guy with a creulty to animals conviction driving at his fair on a horse that was designated for pleasure only by the USTA.

Why do yuo guys get all mad and call names?
Outside of Gripper I have handled this like a gentelman to you guys.

If you dont get that I have valid points. Its moot anyway.
But I will say this. Outside of this forum.
My side is a very vast majority in this case.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 11, 2012, 02:20:02 PM: Pleasure Horse Only: If I raced him and gave him a long (and good) career, that would be a pleasure. And he wouldn't go to the killers or get starved to death. Good horses love to race, and have to be well cared for for maximum earnings.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on August 11, 2012, 02:25:07 PM: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!My computer has been down for a week and I get back on here this afternoon and this stupid crap is still going going going going like the engerizer bunny but nearly as cute as the bunny. we need a puke icon on here and someone please pull the plug on this.
4pezz2
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:26:07 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on August 11, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
Pleasure Horse Only: If I raced him and gave him a long (and good) career, that would be a pleasure. And he wouldn't go to the killers or get starved to death. Good horses love to race, and have to be well cared for for maximum earnings.

I am getting tired of this all.
Ill continue to do what I do.
You guys do what you want.

I have NOTHING to gain here. So my intentions are for the horse who has no voice.
I am also against slaughter. Etc etc

The woman who had the horse never made a penny racing him either and jsut wants him retired.

You wanna call me an idiot etc etc. Fire away.

Unless yuo are like Gripper I am going to show you respect.
This is in fact a serious thread and will be playing games and calling names in other ones.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:30:19 PM: Quote from: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
Excellent point, but I'm thinking he/she would actually have had to be gelded to call he/she a gelding.

??? ??? ???

G stands for gelding? I thought it stood for girl. I will play my bets differently now.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: NIATROSS on August 11, 2012, 02:33:56 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Well if she was so worried about the horse, she should of kept him slaphead

My first post on this topic anywhere and I agree 1000% with your post.

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Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 02:35:03 PM: Quote from: NIATROSS on August 11, 2012, 02:33:56 PM
My first post on this topic anywhere and I agree 1000% with your post.

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You were to fast, I deleted it and was going to add more, but oh well rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: NIATROSS on August 11, 2012, 02:38:17 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 02:35:03 PM
You were to fast, I deleted it and was going to add more, but oh well rflmao1

Me fast ? rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:40:57 PM: Dear 3ww,

In this thread you called me a piece of shit and an internet tough guy. You offered to fight me and I said I would meet you in Pittsburgh... which is about halfway and you changed the subject. That is all fine and I don't care how you feel about me. However it is comical that later in this thread you are whining because someone called you an idiot. People have told me in the past that I come across as never wanting or admitting to being wrong, and I have always accepted the fact that I am not always right. Perhaps it is time for you to mature some and realize that other people may know more than you about a subject and allow yourself to admit to being wrong, and you are basing your opinion on emotions rather than facts. You just may be a happier person at the end of the day.

Cheers,

Jeremy
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:46:11 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:40:57 PM
Dear 3ww,

In this thread you called me a piece of shit and an internet tough guy. You offered to fight me and I said I would meet you in Pittsburgh... which is about halfway and you changed the subject. That is all fine and I don't care how you feel about me. However it is comical that later in this thread you are whining because someone called you an idiot. People have told me in the past that I come across as never wanting or admitting to being wrong, and I have always accepted the fact that I am not always right. Perhaps it is time for you to mature some and realize that other people may know more than you about a subject and allow yourself to admit to being wrong, and you are basing your opinion on emotions rather than facts. You just may be a happier person at the end of the day.

Cheers,

Jeremy

Whining?

I have people as credible as gary giving me FACTS
I understand there are 2 sides.
Just becasue this is garys forum doesnt mean he has all the facts.
As I said before go outside this forum and you will see I am in the majority not the lone voice. But yu guys have silenced the others on the other side.

Fact the horse was designated for pleasure only.
Fact the man has a conviction for animal creulty.

If I want to call any race secretary who takes an entry for the horse I am.
Why dont yuo call and sing his praises.

Fact horse hasnt raced since july 10th.

Fact
I really doubt kind hearted Mr. Raber is being gentle and giving the horse a month off.
Good luck to him.

But I will continue on.

And Jeremy with you I consider it more of in fun.

You guys want to call the varous race offices and lend support letting the horse race. Go for it.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 02:50:45 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Whining?

I have people as credible as gary giving me FACTS
I understand there are 2 sides.
Just becasue this is garys forum doesnt mean he has all the facts.
As I said before go outside this forum and you will see I am in the majority not the lone voice. But yu guys have silenced the others on the other side.

Fact the horse was designated for pleasure only.
Fact the man has a conviction for animal creulty.

If I want to call any race secretary who takes an entry for the horse I am.
Why dont yuo call and sing his praises.

Fact horse hasnt raced since july 10th.

Fact
I really doubt kind hearted Mr. Raber is being gentle and giving the horse a month off.
Good luck to him.

But I will continue on.

And Jeremy with you I consider it more of in fun.

You guys want to call the varous race offices and lend support letting the horse race. Go for it.
FACT- We don't go butting into other people's business that we don't know, unlike you....
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:53:48 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:46:11 PM

I have people as credible as gary giving me FACTS

Fact the horse was designated for pleasure only.
Fact the man has a conviction for animal creulty.

Gary is a 3rd party in collecting information. Do the people giving you your facts have any personal attachment to this horse? If the answer is yes they are not as credible, just ask any auditor.

In my opinion, I don't see how you can be against a horse racing for the welfare of the horse but then be a supporter of horse racing in general. This horse is probably healthier than many other horses out there.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:55:22 PM: Quote from: Hanging Like A Grape on August 11, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
FACT- We don't go butting into other people's business that we don't know, unlike you....

I have had a conversation with many people about people not respecting the privacy of others as well as not respecting their own privacy in these days of Facebook, Twitter and Youtube.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 02:56:27 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
Gary is a 3rd party in collecting information. Do the people giving you your facts have any personal attachment to this horse? If the answer is yes they are not as credible, just ask any auditor.

In my opinion, I don't see how you can be against a horse racing for the welfare of the horse but then be a supporter of horse racing in general. This horse is probably healthier than many other horses out there.
That doesn't matter to him Jeremy. It also doesn't matter to him that the horse has been cleared to race by 2 vets in Ohio. That is obvious or he still wouldn't be going on and on with this. I swear he is a peta member.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: burton on August 11, 2012, 03:00:18 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
Whining?

I have people as credible as gary giving me FACTS

Fact the horse was designated for pleasure only.
Fact the man has a conviction for animal creulty.

If I want to call any race secretary who takes an entry for the horse I am.
Why dont yuo call and sing his praises.

Fact horse hasnt raced since july 10th.

Fact
I really doubt kind hearted Mr. Raber is being gentle and giving the horse a month off.
Good luck to him.

But I will continue on.

And Jeremy with you I consider it more of in fun.

You guys want to call the varous race offices and lend support letting the horse race. Go for it.
3W,
I know you are very sincere about all this and I admire your passion in advocating that horses get the best possible care.
I think we all do.
But many of the simple facts in thsi matter have been completely either messed up accidentally or lied about on purpose just so certain individuals don't appear to be wrong.
(Those types are never wrong)
I guess my initial question is why did the original owner get rid of the horse to begin with?
If she cared so much about the animal, she should have kept it.
Lots of misinformation about why the horse was scratched etc;
Giss who is totally credible to me posted the facts about the scratch.
The scratch had nothing whatsoever to do with Raber but with the racing 30 and 45 day rules at each state involved.
Now a good friend has told me that on plop your compadre on all this, the dishonest and reprehensible javelina is calling for violence to come down on Raber. Disgusting but typical of this loser.
My suggestion is to get as many facts as you can from credible sources and go form there.
I see people are calling the Zainesville office to complain about the entry.
Well sorry to say but I've been in contact withseveral other posters from varios forums who are doing the same thing but telling the racing office that the horse should race.

As for your treatment here, I think a few are totally out of line and I'm surprised such vicious vulgarity is allowed.
That is totally wrong.
When posters can't argue and discuss facts, they get personal.
They are losers. Never really seen that kind of poster allowed here for any length of time.
I know you're a good guy with a determined mind and heart.
But I say it pays to know the whole story before going off with half the story and urging action.
To be associated with the certain poster who is calling Raber a thief etc; is to risk your own good reputation.
Take care and good luck.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Just Saying on August 11, 2012, 03:07:13 PM: Is it true that PETA is a PITA?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 03:07:55 PM: Quote from: burton on August 11, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
3W,
I know you are very sincere about all this and I admire your passion in advocating that horses get the best possible care.
I think we all do.
But many of the simple facts in thsi matter have been completely either messed up accidentally or lied about on purpose just so certain individuals don't appear to be wrong.
(Those types are never wrong)
I guess my initial question is why did the original owner get rid of the horse to begin with?
If she cared so much about the animal, she should have kept it.
Lots of misinformation about why the horse was scratched etc;
Giss who is totally credible to me posted the facts about the scratch.
The scratch had nothing whatsoever to do with Raber but with the racing 30 and 45 day rules at each state involved.
Now a good friend has told me that on plop you compadre on all this, the dishonest and reprehensible javelina is calling for violence to come down on Raber.
My suggestion is to get as many facts as you can from credible sources and go form there.
I see people are calling the Zainesville office to complain about the entry.
Well sorry to say but I've been in contact withseveral other posters from varios forums who are doing the same thing but telling the racing office that the horse should race.

As for your treatment here, I think a few are totally out of line and I'm surprised such vicious vulgarity is allowed.
That is totally wrong.
When posters can't argue and discuss facts, they get personal.
They are losers. Never really seen that kind of poster allowed here for any length of time.
I know you're a good guy with a determined mind and heart.
But I say it pays to know the whole story before going off with half the story and urging action.
To be associated with the certain poster who is calling Raber a thief etc; is to risk your own good reputation.
Take care and good luck.

The womans farm was full and she gave the horse to what she thought was a credible home. Its hard for people to find a nice home for every horse. At least she tried.

I really do not believe that she is worried the horse will win races etc etc.
Her concern is for the horse.

I value Jodi and Janines opinions as much as Garys.

you dont mind yur own business when yuo see something wrong happening.

Regardless I agree it is pointless for me to go on and on here about this.

So you guys have suceeded in having your group silence everyone on the other side. At least on this forum.

Take care all.

P.S. Thanks as always for the kind words Burton.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 03:09:21 PM: Quote from: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 03:07:55 PM
I value Jodi and Janines opinions as much as Garys.

thought they were facts 20 minutes ago
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: javelina on August 11, 2012, 03:10:59 PM: Im being a good Samaritan...for the horse and the original owner...

Quote
The parable of the Good Samaritan is a parable told by Jesus and is mentioned in only one of the Canonical gospels of the New Testament. According to the Gospel of Luke (10:29-37) a traveller (who may or may not be Jewish[1]) is beaten, robbed, and left half dead along the road. First a priest and then a Levite come by, but both avoid the man. Finally, a Samaritan comes by. Samaritans and Jews generally despised each other, but the Samaritan helps the injured man. Jesus is described as telling the parable in response to a question regarding the identity of the "neighbour" which Leviticus 19:18 says should be loved.

Portraying a Samaritan in positive light would have come as a shock to Jesus' audience.[2] It is typical of his provocative speech in which conventional expectations are inverted.[2]

Some Christians, such as Augustine, have interpreted the parable allegorically, with the Samaritan representing Jesus Christ, who saves the sinful soul.[3] Others, however, discount this allegory as unrelated to the parable's original meaning,[3] and see the parable as exemplifying the ethics of Jesus, which have won nearly universal praise, even from those outside the Church.[4]

The parable has inspired painting, sculpture, poetry, and film. The colloquial phrase "good Samaritan," meaning someone who helps a stranger, derives from this parable, and many hospitals and charitable organizations are named after the Good Samaritan.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: 3 wide and wingin on August 11, 2012, 03:14:18 PM: Quote from: Jeremy on August 11, 2012, 03:09:21 PM
thought they were facts 20 minutes ago

Just as valid as Garys

But like I said done here.

cheers jeremy
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 03:26:04 PM: rflmao1 rflmao1 If you read the letter I posted yesterday here, the OSRC had prevented the horse from being entered due to the misinformation that has been spewed all over the place. Now the Ohio Racing Commission has had vets look at the horse, the owner has had the horse xrayed umpteen times by different vets, and the OSRC has now cleared the horse to race, based upon the recommendations from all of these veterinarians.

The fact is, this horse has not been classified "Pleasure Only" by the USTA. Ms. Wiener attempted to after she learned the horse had qualified, or just before he qualified, but according to the registrar at the USTA, then it was too late.

The fact is, had she done this in the first place before she gave the horse away, the horse can never be taken off the "Pleasure Only" classification.

I have all of the pertinent and independent facts, not from Ms. Wiener, not from Marvin Raber, but from the USTA, the OSRC, Batavia Downs, Standardbred Canada, and one of the owners of the Mt. Hope Livestock Auction.

The rest of the stuff really does not matter. I know what the law in Ohio is and I know the horse is cleared to race in all of Ohio. I know the registration says Marvin Raber owns the horse. I only hope I get to meet Mr. Raber, shake his hand, thank him for saving this horse's life, and maybe even sit behind this horse in a training mile in September so I can personally attest to his soundness.

I used to walk/run between five and seven miles at least 4 days per week. I'd give my left nut to be able to do that again. I love running, and at the present time I cannot do this, but I am trying to be able to do it again. I would do anything to be able to run even a ten minute mile again. Running is in my soul.

You see I have a shattered leg that was not only screwed together, it was glued together as well. There is a fourteen inch titanium rod in the leg. I also need a new knee. On the same leg, I had a broken hip in two places, and I have sciatica the entire way down my leg to my foot. I broke seven vertebrae, four ribs, and suffered a traumatic brain injury, a lung contusion, and a spinal cord injury. Guess what? I can run if necessary. Not fast, not far, but I can run. I know this because I ran on a treadmill. Oh yes, I am 55 years old and weighed 279 pounds this morning.

No I am not in race shape and will likely never be, but if I can run even a little with all of my injuries, there is no reason that a horse that was bred to race cannot race with a pesky little broken p3 that has had completely healed....and hurting someone's pride is not a valid reason.

I truly speak for the horse. I know he would rather race than pull a plow or a buggy, or be slaughtered.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 03:58:35 PM: Quote from: burton on August 11, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
3W,
I know you are very sincere about all this and I admire your passion in advocating that horses get the best possible care.
I think we all do.
But many of the simple facts in thsi matter have been completely either messed up accidentally or lied about on purpose just so certain individuals don't appear to be wrong.
(Those types are never wrong)
I guess my initial question is why did the original owner get rid of the horse to begin with?
If she cared so much about the animal, she should have kept it.
Lots of misinformation about why the horse was scratched etc;
Giss who is totally credible to me posted the facts about the scratch.
The scratch had nothing whatsoever to do with Raber but with the racing 30 and 45 day rules at each state involved.
Now a good friend has told me that on plop your compadre on all this, the dishonest and reprehensible javelina is calling for violence to come down on Raber. Disgusting but typical of this loser.
My suggestion is to get as many facts as you can from credible sources and go form there.
I see people are calling the Zainesville office to complain about the entry.
Well sorry to say but I've been in contact withseveral other posters from varios forums who are doing the same thing but telling the racing office that the horse should race.

As for your treatment here, I think a few are totally out of line and I'm surprised such vicious vulgarity is allowed.
That is totally wrong.
When posters can't argue and discuss facts, they get personal.
They are losers. Never really seen that kind of poster allowed here for any length of time.
I know you're a good guy with a determined mind and heart.
But I say it pays to know the whole story before going off with half the story and urging action.
To be associated with the certain poster who is calling Raber a thief etc; is to risk your own good reputation.
Take care and good luck.
Burton, I have more respect for you than you could possibly imagine. Was I wrong with what I posted? ABSOLUTELY! Someone needed to give those clowns a taste of their own medicine. The lies that they are force feeding down everybodies throat is sickening.

The even more unbelievable fact is that you have 3WW championing the cause of the same ass clowns who tortured him on horseplop. You think he would get it by now.

The whole GSAC phrase I have been using was coined by you know who and I just thought I would throw that back at them.

My actions were reprehensible and I am sorry. Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire.

I still want to know why everybody is overlooking the facts of who the horse first went to and what that person did with the animal.

Although I am sorry for my behavior, I will not appollogize to 3WW, he is spouting off 1/2 cocked with 1/2 of the facts and could do irreverseable damage to a man's honor and career based on a few ignorant postings of a few ignorant posters.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: freelegged on August 11, 2012, 04:01:24 PM: GSAC I have my auto financing through that Corporation.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: pezz97 on August 11, 2012, 04:01:53 PM: Quote from: freelegged on August 11, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
GSAC I have my auto financing through that Corporation.
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: NIATROSS on August 11, 2012, 04:02:21 PM: Quote from: freelegged on August 11, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
GSAC I have my auto financing through that Corporation.

Free coke for signing up ?
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 11, 2012, 04:10:25 PM: rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: Headpole Dave on August 11, 2012, 04:11:17 PM: For the record while I don't always agree with 3 Wide, he's always been a gentleman and in my opinion a good person doing what he feels is best.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: burton on August 11, 2012, 04:34:51 PM: Quote from: The Gripper on August 11, 2012, 03:58:35 PM
Burton, I have more respect for you than you could possibly imagine. Was I wrong with what I posted? ABSOLUTELY! Someone needed to give those clowns a taste of their own medicine. The lies that they are force feeding down everybodies throat is sickening.

The even more unbelievable fact is that you have 3WW championing the cause of the same ass clowns who tortured him on horseplop. You think he would get it by now.

The whole GSAC phrase I have been using was coined by you know who and I just thought I would throw that back at them.

My actions were reprehensible and I am sorry. Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire.

I still want to know why everybody is overlooking the facts of who the horse first went to and what that person did with the animal.

Although I am sorry for my behavior, I will not appollogize to 3WW, he is spouting off 1/2 cocked with 1/2 of the facts and could do irreverseable damage to a man's honor and career based on a few ignorant postings of a few ignorant posters.
I would apologize o 3W.
He means well.
Don't stopp to javelina's level.
Makes you and the rest of the forum look bad.
You and the forum are much beter than that.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: AmyHollar on August 11, 2012, 04:41:44 PM: Quote from: Just Saying on August 11, 2012, 03:07:13 PM
Is it true that PETA is a PITA?

Depends on how tender the dog is.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Giss on August 11, 2012, 05:52:42 PM: Quote from: Headpole Dave on August 11, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
For the record while I don't always agree with 3 Wide, he's always been a gentleman and in my opinion a good person doing what he feels is best.

Ditto. Have had the opp to meet him in person a few times. We disagree on this, but can discuss our differences respectfully without name calling.
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: beans and weenies on August 11, 2012, 07:56:32 PM: Quote from: javelina on August 11, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Im being a good Samaritan...for the horse and the original owner...

the vulgarity of former posts to quoting scriptures from the bible. thumbsdown idunno
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: The Skipper on August 11, 2012, 09:01:19 PM: hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1 hammerhead1
Title: Re: help stop horse theft.
Post by: LVGaryD on August 12, 2012, 09:13:52 AM: We are done with this. Four Starz Valley has been declared in condition to race by the OSRC. I wish his owner Marvin Raber the very best of luck. To anyone donating a horse, please do so properly to avoid this kind of situation. The idiots who are trying to prevent the man from racing his horse need to go catch a case of the crabs and then go get a life. With morons like this on the loose, it is no wonder Obama is our president.