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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: javelina on July 02, 2012, 03:44:10 PM
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Race 7, Friday June 30. The DQ of Second Hand News driven by Brent Holland. The reason for DQ slowing the pace.
Please email UMcintyre@yonkersraceway.com, RFerroira@yonkersraceway.com.
Demand they review the actions of the judges employed by the State of New York and look out for there customer's the gambler's.
Also contact the judges Nick Ferriero, William Schroh, Frank Pellegrino at 914-457-3792, 914-457-3793, 914-457-3794.
The race office should be bombarded as well. 914-457-2627.
Contact the NYSRWB and complain about there judges at Yonker's Raceway. Kristen.Buckley@racing.ny.gov
Never stop people!!! Until we get answers. It will take everyone of us to make our voice heard!!!
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Not real sure how slowing the second quarter to 30 seconds amounts to a DQ. ??? ???
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I'll send you two bucks, if you're hurting.
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I'll send you two bucks, if you're hurting.
i'll send ya a hot pepper to shove up your ass.
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It's ok to accept help Juice.
Why are you so upset? And why is everything about shoving stuff up asses? Seems kinda weird.
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It's ok to accept help Juice.
Why are you so upset? And why is everything about shoving stuff up asses? Seems kinda weird.
why did you troll this thread?
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Yea this is a legitimate thread.
I am late to the party here.
But absolutely disgraceful by a judge with a god complex I guess.
If I had bet on that horse Id have left the track never to return.
You suspend people for bad driving. Will they suspend this judge?
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why did you troll this thread?
Troll? I offered to help him financially.
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Troll? I offered to help him financially.
Gary can you just kick this clown off the site already?
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Did you watch the replay of the race Jeremy? The horse sitting fourth breaks stride because the horse on the engine grabs up and jams the field. That's the reason the horse was disqualified.
The fact that a two dollar bettor that has about 29 open threads slandering various horsemen on multiple websites is upset about the decision doesn't bother me that much.
You don't like my posts, there's an ignore button. You would have missed the last two winner at Mohawk. One paid 19 bucks and change.
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Did you watch the replay of the race Jeremy? The horse sitting fourth breaks stride because the horse on the engine grabs up and jams the field. That's the reason the horse was disqualified.
that should have been your first post, not your nonsense.
you can't go around acting like javelina and expect to be treated any different
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Thanks I'll run the next few by you, just to make sure you approve.
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Its all I ask.
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To me that is the most undeserved dq I ever witnessed. I saw the exact same thing happen Saturday night in another race, one where they "slowed" the second quarter to 26.4, and no one was disqualified, nor should they have been.
Every driver has a right line. The guy on top controls everything until someone challenges him. In my opinion, the judges screwed Brent Holland royally.
Hell I was one of the most vocal people when tracks started their 34 second second quarter rule, and I am damned sure against it to this day. Matter of fact I always told my drivers I would pay their fines if they had my horse on top and got fined for a slow quarter.
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Not real sure how slowing the second quarter to 30 seconds amounts to a DQ. ??? ???
It was 30.2 but even still, javelina has a point you see this almost every race , it's called rating a horse. I think Catman just fell asleep at the wheel.
Here is the replay , I stole this from Dolfan @ BTW , hope he don't mind 8)
http://replays.robertsstream.com/racereplays/playf_llnw.php?customer=YonkersRaceway&t=1341030907&h=39e329d9e68636755061337ffaa8015d&url=201206292115YON7
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Its all I ask.
thumbsup
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It was 30.2 but even still, javelina has a point you see this almost every race , it's called rating a horse. I think Catman just fell asleep at the wheel.
Here is the replay , I stole this from Dolfan @ BTW , hope he don't mind 8)
http://replays.robertsstream.com/racereplays/playf_llnw.php?customer=YonkersRaceway&t=1341030907&h=39e329d9e68636755061337ffaa8015d&url=201206292115YON7
Yessir, I have seen some horrendous disqualifications in my time, but this was probably the worst one ever. That horse was shut down just past the 1/8th mile pole. He probably went the second eighth of the race very nearly the same as he did the third and fourth eighths. Horrendous call.
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UPDATE!!!
I WAS ABLE TO ASCERTAIN THE EMAIL ADDRESSES OF THE JUDGES.
Nick.Ferriero@racing.ny.gov, William.schroh@racing.ny.gov, frank.pellegrino@racing.ny.gov
It took me all night but I got this info. Please continue to bombard the race office, officials, and track management. If you have multiple email address use them.
My source inside Yonkers say's heads are rolling and the outcry has been unprecedented.
NEVER STOP!!!
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Putting aside the particular incident in question, the rule requiring drivers to go to the half at a pace that is reasonable for a given class, which was first enforced by Milton Taylor in the Delaware Valley in the early 1960s, is an excellent one. If the only way you can win is to back into the field you better drop the horse down.
Brennan is the worst offender these days, and that strategy is especially lethal on the Yonkers half. Why don
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Totally disagree. And my well known stance is that in combination with the passing lane, these two changes have almost ruined racing.
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Totally disagree. And my well known stance is that in combination with the passing lane, these two changes have almost ruined racing.
I agree with you on the passing lane.
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The slow quarter should be rewarded, as long as the driver does not jam on the brakes and create confusion. a 27 second quarter followed by a 33 second quarter may not be a problem. Or it may be. Is the 16th involves in 7 or 12 is a a far better question.
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To me that is the most undeserved dq I ever witnessed. I saw the exact same thing happen Saturday night in another race, one where they "slowed" the second quarter to 26.4, and no one was disqualified, nor should they have been.
Every driver has a right line. The guy on top controls everything until someone challenges him. In my opinion, the judges screwed Brent Holland royally.
Hell I was one of the most vocal people when tracks started their 34 second second quarter rule, and I am damned sure against it to this day. Matter of fact I always told my drivers I would pay their fines if they had my horse on top and got fined for a slow quarter.
Horrible error in jugement by those who made the call. Javelina is 100% correct. The need to be swamped with either calls or letters and I have done so. They said they would get back to me, and the tone of one judge was that they blew it. Sadly , I think dont think anything will be done, but at least Jav 's idea to make them aware of this blunder is very commendable. Hopely posters will comply . I will continue to e-mail and call. Lets get something done for once
This was legal robbery. We cant have that. Game has enuff problems without adding this to the mix. Utterly incompetent judges. This happens thousands of times a year and not a word is said. Cat Manzi was the one at fault. Pretty obvious when you watch
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First time I got to watch the race........Giss is right, unless confusion is caused there should not be a placing........sure, Holland slowed the pace down (30.2 second quarter is a big difference from a 33 second quarter) but the only one confused was Manzi........there was no reason to run over the top of the horse in front of him........driver error on his part.
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First time I got to watch the race........Giss is right, unless confusion is caused there should not be a placing........sure, Holland slowed the pace down (30.2 second quarter is a big difference from a 33 second quarter) but the only one confused was Manzi........there was no reason to run over the top of the horse in front of him........driver error on his part.
TY!!! One gin and diet tonic on the way...
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Looks like someone has access to viewing your Facebook account Amy.
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I'm friends with everyone........being so kind caring and genuine and all...........
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I'm friends with everyone........being so kind caring and genuine and all...........
Apparently not everyone. rflmao1
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That green guy doesn't count. hammerhead1