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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Headpole Dave on June 13, 2012, 09:33:59 AM
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Guess Mr Gural has had enough of the Marks juicing, all Brainard horses are in 3 day detention barn for tonight at Vernon. Great job by Gural, keeping the cheaters under close scrutiny!
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If their numbers do not decrease will you be as vocal?
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If their numbers do not decrease will you be as vocal?
Very True --- and seeing how good the testing is in New York, ala Pena with no positves via blood or uring but thousands via paper --- why not just go after Brainard that way.
No uniform rules --- First is how states treat situations, and now in New York -- Pena gets vet records suponaed and Brainard gets 3 day detention barns.
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If their numbers do not decrease will you be as vocal?
Why would you care?
If the horses go backwards will you still defend them?
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Answering my question with a question is not a response.
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Guess Mr Gural has had enough of the Marks juicing, all Brainard horses are in 3 day detention barn for tonight at Vernon. Great job by Gural, keeping the cheaters under close scrutiny!
For the record I pulled up both pathway reports and don't see anything you consider cheating.,, Would you care to elaborate ?
Think you are way off sir
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Mr Gural seems to disagree with you, hence the longer stay in the test barn. Brainard's life partner is a well known degenerate juicer that's barred in North America. Somehow her horses always seem to go much faster when he is around, which is probably just a co-incidence. There have been numerous examples of Brainard's horses having magical form reversals which I've noted in the past. I didn't put her in the extended test barn... Blame Mr Gural if you think it's "way off." I give him credit, he's doing his best to rid the game of the cheating scumbags.
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Mr Gural seems to disagree with you, hence the longer stay in the test barn. Brainard's life partner is a well known degenerate juicer that's barred in North America. Somehow her horses always seem to go much faster when he is around, which is probably just a co-incidence. There have been numerous examples of Brainard's horses having magical form reversals which I've noted in the past. I didn't put her in the extended test barn... Blame Mr Gural if you think it's "way off." I give him credit, he's doing his best to rid the game of the cheating scumbags.
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Mr Gural seems to disagree with you, hence the longer stay in the test barn. Brainard's life partner is a well known degenerate juicer that's barred in North America. Somehow her horses always seem to go much faster when he is around, which is probably just a co-incidence. There have been numerous examples of Brainard's horses having magical form reversals which I've noted in the past. I didn't put her in the extended test barn... Blame Mr Gural if you think it's "way off." I give him credit, he's doing his best to rid the game of the cheating scumbags.
THEY WILL JUST ENTER IN SARATOGA AND TIOGA WERE I DONT THINK THEY ARE IN DETENTION THERE (TIOGA). GURAL SHOULD DO IT FOR ALL HIS TRACKS.
AMY IS RIGHT THOUGH. D-BARN HAS NOT STOPPED THE CHEATS
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So for those of you keeping score at home, racing out of the "3 day detention barn" Tracy Brainard results so far:
Morning line favorite finished fifth in the first race.
The Assassinator finished dead last in the sixth.
Still waiting on JK Geronimo. Rated second best in the morning line, lets see how this one does.
Great job by Mr Gural, recognizing who the cheaters are and trying to clean up the sport! bowdown
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So for those of you keeping score at home, racing out of the "3 day detention barn" Tracy Brainard results so far:
Morning line favorite finished fifth in the first race.
The Assassinator finished dead last in the sixth.
Still waiting on JK Geronimo. Rated second best in the morning line, lets see how this one does.
Great job by Mr Gural, recognizing who the cheaters are and trying to clean up the sport! bowdown
Lets see how it goes long term.
I am pretty neutral here.
If they cant make any money cause of the detention barn they will stop racing there and that will say it.
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JK Geronimo finishes dead last in the finale. For those keeping score, 1 fifth as morning line favorite and two last place finishes. thumbsup for the three day test barn.
Guess Gural knows what's really going "behind the scenes" with the Brainard barn.
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Checked the Saturday entries at Vernon. Seems "team Brainard" didn't put one horse in the box. Josh isn't liking this 3 day test barn much!
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I'd like to see every horse entered in every race every day in a 3 day detention barn and see how they race. Might as well screw with everyone. Next I want to see our human athletes in every sport put in detention at least 3 days before competion. Lets get serious about this cheating and take it all the way with every sport.
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Headpole Dave, you need to wait a few weeks and see the result before saying I told ya so. Changing up a horses routine and putting it someplace new will mess some of them up.
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Checked the Saturday entries at Vernon. Seems "team Brainard" didn't put one horse in the box. Josh isn't liking this 3 day test barn much!
Washwoman gossip, one would expect it from a MAGGOT like you Dave...a lifetime of being violated has turned you into a girly girl...
But since you ask 6 were dropped in but they didn't write races for them. You act like they dropped them in someplace else???
Word on the backside is Howie Okusko don't wanna run the detention barn Friday night for Saturday's racing so they had to write them out of races.
I believe he will be up to the Legion tonight night if you want to check on him.
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Headpole Dave, you need to wait a few weeks and see the result before saying I told ya so. Changing up a horses routine and putting it someplace new will mess some of them up.
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Washwoman gossip, one would expect it from a MAGGOT like you Dave...a lifetime of being violated has turned you into a girly girl...
But since you ask 6 were dropped in but they didn't write races for them. You act like they dropped them in someplace else???
Word on the backside is Howie Okusko don't wanna run the detention barn Friday night for Saturday's racing so they had to write them out of races.
I believe he will be up to the Legion tonight night if you want to check on him.
Juicey with his troll account, couldn't wait any longer and brings up his old faithful child molestation topic. Really seems to be a favorite of yours. Hits pretty close to home I'd say.
2 dead last and one a staggering fifth. Guess when Josh can't get near them, they don't go as fast. 3 days in a test barn and they all go backwards. Why is that Juice?
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Marks had 5 horses in last Saturday, and now can't get one of six in this Saturday? Lol. Ok Juice, keep drinking the Kool Aid.
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Have you formed your letter to the New York Wagering Board addressing the obvious ineptitude of the testing lab and demanded the resignation of their trained chemists?
Or are you going to point out the lack of positive tests with Pena.........even though it has been explained over and over again why their would be no positive tests?
It just seems to me there is a personal agenda behind all your accusations when blame (from a layman's perspective) should be placed upon various authorities and organizations.........yet you continue to signal out individuals.
So, are you really looking out for the good of the ENTIRE industry or your own personal glee?
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Have you formed your letter to the New York Wagering Board addressing the obvious ineptitude of the testing lab and demanded the resignation of their trained chemists?
Or are you going to point out the lack of positive tests with Pena.........even though it has been explained over and over again why their would be no positive tests?
It just seems to me there is a personal agenda behind all your accusations when blame (from a layman's perspective) should be placed upon various authorities and organizations.........yet you continue to signal out individuals.
So, are you really looking out for the good of the ENTIRE industry or your own personal glee?
I point out that they are cheating and that they now are racing in the 3 day test barn and you defended them. I pointed out that all their horses finished last or up the track and you want me to write letters? I can see the cheating that goes on... Did you write letters about anyone you knew to be cheating?
I really don't owe you any explanation for anything. I have my opinions and I'm expressing them. Results are proving my points for me. I noticed you didn't comment about the child molesting accusations thrown at me... Do you advocate those?
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I defended them?
My asking you a question is not a defense of Marks or Brainard who I have never met in my life.
What my life has been about is horse racing.........about 40 of the 44 years I've existed........I consider my questions to you a defense of the industry..........yet you will not answer those questions.
I will not get involved in your personal "molestation" issue because it is just as ridiculous as your accusations........BUT your accusations affect ME, personally.........which you refuse to see.
You continue to harp on "my defending" of those you suspect.....no flat-out name as criminals.........and yet you will not acknowledge I am not addressing their supposed actions, but the actions of our industry as a whole to continue to act in archaic and detrimental regulatory actions when it comes to the proper therapeutic care of a race horse!
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Juicey with his troll account, couldn't wait any longer and brings up his old faithful child molestation topic. Really seems to be a favorite of yours. Hits pretty close to home I'd say.
2 dead last and one a staggering fifth. Guess when Josh can't get near them, they don't go as fast. 3 days in a test barn and they all go backwards. Why is that Juice?
AMAZING THE MODERATORS ALLOWED THAT POST TO STAND DESPITE BEING NOTIFIED OF IT.
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I'd like to see every horse entered in every race every day in a 3 day detention barn and see how they race. Might as well screw with everyone. Next I want to see our human athletes in every sport put in detention at least 3 days before competion. Lets get serious about this cheating and take it all the way with every sport.
Good Idea.
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I defended them?
My asking you a question is not a defense of Marks or Brainard who I have never met in my life.
What my life has been about is horse racing.........about 40 of the 44 years I've existed........I consider my questions to you a defense of the industry..........yet you will not answer those questions.
I will not get involved in your personal "molestation" issue because it is just as ridiculous as your accusations........BUT your accusations affect ME, personally.........which you refuse to see.
You continue to harp on "my defending" of those you suspect.....no flat-out name as criminals.........and yet you will not acknowledge I am not addressing their supposed actions, but the actions of our industry as a whole to continue to act in archaic and detrimental regulatory actions when it comes to the proper therapeutic care of a race horse!
For the record, the people you were defending, and yes you were defending them, one of those "team Brainard" people is the one posting the constant and awful child molesting posts on numerous websites. That person is also banned from having a license in North America because of his "lack of integrity." That should speak volumes about that person. And who that person associates with...
Now on to your question - I don't pretend to be able to Answer questions for an entire industry. Some people use drugs for equine benefit and others for personal profit... Which one should be allowed? If you think some rules are archaic, nobody is forcing you to be in the business. Either advocate change or abide by the rules. If you think Lou Pena, Rene Allard, Bill Robinson, Casie Coleman, Eric Ledford and Bill Elliot were all using drugs for therapeutic reasons than I think your view on reality is a little skewered. Those guys weren't pumping EPO, Aranesp, and other designer drugs through their horses system to help the horse.
When someone is put into detention and their horses performances drop off dramatically, I don't think it's a real surprise to question their abilities. Again Jeff Gural put Branaird/Marks in there and the results speak for themselves.
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AMAZING THE MODERATORS ALLOWED THAT POST TO STAND DESPITE BEING NOTIFIED OF IT.
I do agree. thumbsup
Let's get on it Asian Lover.
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When someone is put into detention and their horses performances drop off dramatically, I don't think it's a real surprise to question their abilities. Again Jeff Gural put Branaird/Marks in there and the results speak for themselves.
Judging by past associates I wouldn't be surprised if something is going on, however its best to wait a few weeks when you have a larger sample size to prove your point.
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For the record, the people you were defending, and yes you were defending them
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Now on to your question - I don't pretend to be able to Answer questions for an entire industry. Some people use drugs for equine benefit and others for personal profit... Which one should be allowed?
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I can't see a post anywhere where anyone has been accused of being a child molester on this entire forum. All I see is Headpole Dave continually bashing my friend Tracy Brainard, even after I have repeatedly told him she is my friend.
All I see is a bunch of people spreading rumors like a bunch of girly girls and grandstand goofs. dorkusinterruptus
And anyone who does not like the way this forum is run can certainly send me several hundred thousand dollars and own it. Then they can run it the way they want it run.
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It was a subtle but disgusting remark...........but I think several lines have been crossed..............just please don't let personal attacks become the norm.........or I'll never let you hug me and break wind again.
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In my decades as a trainer I never had one positive because I never doped a horse, but a 3 day detention would have put me out of the business. I worked a day-job and trained and raced at night and on weekends until I retired. No way I could sit at a track for 3 days every week to race for every horse I entered. Plus: How would my other horses get taken care of if I was miles away twiddling my thumbs for 3 days?
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In my decades as a trainer I never had one positive because I never doped a horse, but a 3 day detention would have put me out of the business. I worked a day-job and trained and raced at night and on weekends until I retired. No way I could sit at a track for 3 days every week to race for every horse I entered. Plus: How would my other horses get taken care of if I was miles away twiddling my thumbs for 3 days?
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In my decades as a trainer I never had one positive because I never doped a horse, but a 3 day detention would have put me out of the business. I worked a day-job and trained and raced at night and on weekends until I retired. No way I could sit at a track for 3 days every week to race for every horse I entered. Plus: How would my other horses get taken care of if I was miles away twiddling my thumbs for 3 days?
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It's a ridiculous and devastating suggestion..........and talk about punishment before there is even a crime. idunno
I think this whole discussion is a huge disrespect shown to 99.9% of the trainers and vets trying to make a living day in and day out.
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99.9% ? rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Unless there is 100 million trainers in North America the USTA fines and suspensions lists paint a diffrerent story.
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Unless there is 100 million trainers in North America the USTA fines and suspensions lists paint a diffrerent story.
And you are totally clueless to what those fines and suspensions actually mean.
This game is highly regulated.
Regulations which you could not adhere to in performing your job daily.
For you to equate every suspension or fine for a medication violation as a "criminal" behavior you are basically saying rolling through a stop sign is akin to murder.
This is an old argument........and continually perpetrated by those who I'd rather see completely away from horse racing.
Go ahead and point out how we couldn't make it with out you.......I'll take my chances.
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99.9% ? rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
Unless there is 100 million trainers in North America the USTA fines and suspensions lists paint a diffrerent story.
I wish some of you would make up your minds.........one one hand you point out the fines and suspensions and how the testing is obviously working..........and then you'll go on about Pena and how the testing doesn't work?
Which is it? idunno
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IMO there is NO profession in which 99.9% of the people are completley honest.
I know exactly what fines and suspensions mean.I hjave read about enuff trainers breaking some rules to what exactly what they mean.
There are plenty of jobs regulated as much if not more.
Show me where I said evry violation was a criminal act .
I have learned long ago I was not important to the game as a bettor.I only question why the game needs slots ?
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I wish some of you would make up your minds.........one one hand you point out the fines and suspensions and how the testing is obviously working..........and then you'll go on about Pena and how the testing doesn't work?
Which is it? idunno
If you want to respond to me please have your facts correct.
Where am I on record either way that testing does or does not work ?
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I only question why the game needs slots ?
Because the entertainment dollar has hundreds of places to go........slots won't save the game in the long run either.
Why did motion pictures need talkies? And color?
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If you want to respond to me please have your facts correct.
Where am I on record either way that testing does or does not work ?
"Some" of you....all encompassing.....I didn't have the time to find the exact authors......my apologies.
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If you want to respond to me please have your facts correct.
For the record though........I'm pretty sure I don't need your permission to respond.........whether factual or not. ;)
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Washwoman gossip, one would expect it from a MAGGOT like you Dave...a lifetime of being violated has turned you into a girly girl...
Ok Gary... What's that supposed to mean? Please explain how you don't find that offensive? In detail... Please explain what you feel that means. I'm very interested.
You can be friends with Brainard all you want. Bottom line is Gural put her in jail, and all her horses finished up the track. Why? Cause Joshy couldn't juice them IMO.
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I was going to stay out of this thread but I have to respond now. Perception is everything. This game will only thrive if the BETTING PUBLIC think they are not getting screwed over.
Well he is an example that the betting public, you know the people who if they didn't exist, the horseman would race for really nothing. Well the betting public knows that Tracy brainard is associated with Josh marks, The same Josh Marks that can't get a license in NORTH AMERICA anymore. That say's a lot don't you think! If it doesn't then God Help you.
99.9% rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 How about the 12 trainers that got kicked out earlier this year? How about ( Sorry Jeff not singling you out but the best example I can give) the reigning filly of the year , now no longer in the Kesmodel barn, that can't get a check in any race she is in??? It could be a variety of things but what does the betting public think of that? Easy Answer, she was given something she wasn't supposed to have, and now doesn't get it! ( Not by me, but that is what you hear)
Amy, you can defend anyone you want, it is your right, but at the same time, you have to understand where the people who support your game are coming from. It is well known about certain people, and I don't care who is friends with who, if it smells like a skunk, and looks like a skunk, it probably is.
I still play the game, cause I love it and always will, but to act like the game is alright and 100% true is really trying to sell someone a bridge. Sometimes pointing out the bad things in something can make the total sport much better.
As for the Javelina post, anyone in their right mind knows what it meant give me a break. It is Juice junkies who is already barred from the site geesh...
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Furthermore 3 other posters commented about it being inappropriate. If you're that far up Brainards ass that you can't accept criticism that's fine. Everyone else saw it, and understands you're playing favorites.
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One more thing, her best year was the year she had the 3 monsters FROM.... wait for it..... Bullet Proof Enterprises!!!! Quality people to be around. Brooks, and Marks, enough said.....
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One more thing, her best year was the year she had the 3 monsters FROM.... wait for it..... Bullet Proof Enterprises!!!! Quality people to be around. Brooks, and Marks, enough said.....
One (Marks) suspended in North America. Complete scumbag. Whipping freak, juicer, all around scumbag. Barred from having any kind of license.
Bulletproof: the worst owners in the history of the business. Violated every ethic and rule in harness racing. Close friends of Brainard. Defend those scumbags Gary. What's your excuse for Josh and Bulletproof???
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I was going to stay out of this thread but I have to respond now. Perception is everything. This game will only thrive if the BETTING PUBLIC think they are not getting screwed over.
I guess I am doing nothing but 4pezz2 4pezz2 to explain how I am not defending individuals I do not even know...........I'm defending an industry which I do not PERCEIVE as crooked as the picture being painted here.........do I blame you all trashing it? HELL NO! I'm VERY outspoken on how we have dropped the ball for DECADES on the public not getting a proper perception or horse racing through our media outlets.
And while I do feel the comment javelina made was inappropriate........there have been MANY comments made I feel inappropriate in this thread and others...............I thought the point was the trash stayed away from this site. idunno
Whether it is a "he's a crook" or "he was molested" .............NONE OF IT IS INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION!! hammerhead1
You can't have it both ways folks............don't take offense to one and not the other.
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Bulletproof<------proven in a court of law as scum.
Bulletproof<---------------had many in this industry buffaloed before their exact situation came to light.
It's a tired argument over past associations..........it's like still blaming someone for being married to a psycho after the divorce is final.
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Furthermore 3 other posters commented about it being inappropriate. If you're that far up Brainards ass that you can't accept criticism that's fine. Everyone else saw it, and understands you're playing favorites.
If that post goes a lot of your posts around here would have to go as well. Accusations without 100% proof was not something that was part of this forum. Sucks when you just don't get to run your mouth.
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One (Marks) suspended in North America. Complete scumbag. Whipping freak, juicer, all around scumbag. Barred from having any kind of license.
Bulletproof: the worst owners in the history of the business. Violated every ethic and rule in harness racing. Close friends of Brainard. Defend those scumbags Gary. What's your excuse for Josh and Bulletproof???
I don't see anywhere where Gary said bulletproof enterprises was good people. You can't win an argument by putting words in peoples mouths that they did not say.
You don't seem to be civil in having conversations and you went after Amy several times instead of just having a civil conversation.
Time will tell if you and many other people are correct that something must be given to the horses, (which I believe there probably is) but using Gural as proof of your claim is comical because just last week he wanted to kick Brennan out of his tracks because he couldn't comprehend a quote in an article.
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but using Gural as proof of your claim is comical because just last week he wanted to kick Brennan out of his tracks because he couldn't comprehend a quote in an article.
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