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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Unknown on June 01, 2012, 06:16:17 PM
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Have been arguing with friend about 2 things. 1. Does "matinee" racing ALWAYS mean horses race for no money? 2. Do some horses at Delaware matinee (usually 2-year-olds) sometimes race with driver in jog cart? Thanks in advance.
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I'm no expert......but I do play one on tv.
Matinee means afternoon racing.
Yes they will race in jog carts but not for a charted line......they are "time-bar" races.
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Thank you. Asked for expert horseMAN's answer, but will accept yours with grain of salt. Just kidding. So matinee's can run for money? I always knew that. Idiot friend said it means racing for no money. Did Jenny ever drive a horse in jog cart in race during Delaware matinee?
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In IL when we had many "Matinees" they were all non-purse, but we would award tokens (blankets, halters, whips, etc) and race sponsors would cover the cost. Some cards offer non-charted races which don't show up on the horse's records. Our group had to drop our Matinee years back when the overhead got too high. By the time we payed for the Starting Gate, Charter, Event Insurance, USTA License, Sound system, water, fuel, advertising, etc. we couldn't cover costs. Too bad... it was good for all involved. Great folks donated their time & equipment and sponsorships. The Babies all got to see a starting gate, and actually race against other horses.
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Matinee does not always mean afternoon racing.
Read this page, its a nice history of matinee racing and how it was formed, and how it has evolved:
http://matineeclub.tripod.com/BBytes/RiseandFall.html
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Wow. Thanks. That was above and beyond what I was expecting. My buddy was right, in a sense, in that matinee racing means "no money racing" in harness old-school. I'll have to call the bet even & say we're both right in different ways.
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Certainly no longer a horseman, but if I get much dumber I could be one again. Most matinees I was involved in had to do with a large female groom either on a hay pile near the jog carts or in a tack room.
Many involved marijuana and/or alcohol....mainly because that is what it took to get the job done. 4pezz2
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Matinee does not always mean afternoon racing.
Read this page, its a nice history of matinee racing and how it was formed, and how it has evolved:
http://matineeclub.tripod.com/BBytes/RiseandFall.html
Dave,
FWIW, Susan Zimmerman wrote those articles and created those web pages.
They been online ten years or more.
Susan continues to do some very interesting research on the old Ohio fairs and harness racing.
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I have to say that she did a very good job on that particular article. Very well researched and full of great detail and information! Well written and concise! I'd love to read any others she may have if you can point me in the proper direction.
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Have been arguing with friend about 2 things. 1. Does "matinee" racing ALWAYS mean horses race for no money? 2. Do some horses at Delaware matinee (usually 2-year-olds) sometimes race with driver in jog cart? Thanks in advance.
Most racing these days is rarely contested without some type of purses.
Seem to recall that Gaitway holds some races (besides qualifiers) that are baby races without purses.
A while back I archived a race-photo from one of the Orlando tracks (40's) where the winner used a race-bike and the others were using jog-carts ;)
In the very, very olden days they use to race for almost anything. Bales of hay, bags of feed.
Some of large-donated prize lists for the NJ Road Horse Association (Weequahic Park) in the 1920s were simply amazing. Same for the Boston Tracks that were part of the Gentleman's Driving Club of that area.
Many of the nearly-pure Sterling Silver (frequently complete place settings) were worth more than the purse of the old races. Most of this Sterling Silver stuff has long vanished (likely melted and sold), however they are simply amazing in the old photo's.
In early 2002 a trophy was the 1890s was sold at auction. From Michigan's old Grosse Pointe Track. Sold for $37,500.
I saved the two dozen high-quality photo's the auction house offered online and the detail is unparalleled.
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I have to say that she did a very good job on that particular article. Very well researched and full of great detail and information! Well written and concise! I'd love to read any others she may have if you can point me in the proper direction.
Dave,
Just scroll down to the bottom of that page and there are links to half-a-dozen more of her articles.
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Certainly no longer a horseman, but if I get much dumber I could be one again. Most matinees I was involved in had to do with a large female groom either on a hay pile near the jog carts or in a tack room.
Many involved marijuana and/or alcohol....mainly because that is what it took to get the job done. 4pezz2
Amy?
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Amy?
I don't think so, but maybe her mom??? Things are sort of foggy from those days. idunno
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Dave,
Here's the main page of the site:
http://matineeclub.tripod.com/
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I don't think so, but maybe her mom??? Things are sort of foggy from those days. idunno
By the way, this is not meant to imply in any way, shape, or form that Mutter is a large woman! hammerhead1
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I don't think so, but maybe her mom??? Things are sort of foggy from those days. idunno
You're my kind of guy. A real man's man.
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Thank you. Asked for expert horseMAN's answer, but will accept yours with grain of salt. Just kidding.
rflmao1 rflmao1
I would have given you rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1, but you said you were just kidding and it made it not near as funny.
And yes she did.
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And yes she did.
She did? slaphead
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Matinee does not always mean afternoon racing.
Read this page, its a nice history of matinee racing and how it was formed, and how it has evolved:
http://matineeclub.tripod.com/BBytes/RiseandFall.html
thumbsup thumbsup
Coming around here some nights is like going to school.............other nights like going to a dirty movie in the 70's. 8)
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Certainly no longer a horseman, but if I get much dumber I could be one again. Most matinees I was involved in had to do with a large female groom either on a hay pile near the jog carts or in a tack room.
Many involved marijuana and/or alcohol....mainly because that is what it took to get the job done. 4pezz2
My point proven. noway
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I don't think so, but maybe her mom??? Things are sort of foggy from those days. idunno
Ok......now I'm pissed......... >:(
Not really but if one doesn't defend her mother then one is a real bitch..............wait a minute.........
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By the way, this is not meant to imply in any way, shape, or form that Mutter is a large woman! hammerhead1
shootme
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Sorry HD and Wilderness.........three idiot sicko's had to keep interrupting your intelligent conversation. redrose
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I was implying that I was much closer to your mother's age than your age. You better not be pissed.
4pezz2 heartluv
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I only get pissed when some idiot calls with a A4 off suit and catches on my KK.
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I only get pissed when some idiot calls with a A4 off suit and catches on my KK.
Did I ever tell you about the final poker hand I ever played? WSOP super satellite, only needed to finish 72nd place for a seat in the $10,000 event. Down to less than 100 and I get QQ on the button. Go all in, three callers. AK, A9, A,7. King hit on the river. I will never play another hand of poker. Assholes suck out on you.
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I only get pissed when some idiot calls with a A4 off suit and catches on my KK.
That's why a woman will never be a World Series of Poker Champion. It takes testosterone to figure that stuff out. Just please stay in the kitchen & bedroom & living room (only if serving me a beer). Why complicate things? You had it easy until the 60's bullshit. Of course, all males were into the free-love & the burning the bra thing, but then you developed brains. DANGER
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Did I ever tell you about the final poker hand I ever played? WSOP super satellite, only needed to finish 72nd place for a seat in the $10,000 event. Down to less than 100 and I get QQ on the button. Go all in, three callers. AK, A9, A,7. King hit on the river. I will never play another hand of poker. Assholes suck out on you.
You'll never catch me playing a slot in Ohio. I've been to all those other places that had them & feel sorrry for all those morons who waited in line for Scioto slots to open today. I saw a long time ago: even when riverboat down on Ohio River opened & they made 20 million first weekend off idiots. Have been to Mohawk, Meadows, Mohegan, Empire State (Yonkers) & you have no chance to win. Worse than Vegas, which I've gone to for over 20 years.
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Yonkers was worst. Couldn't even find slot that was open, but absolutely nobody in grandstand or even what used to be clubhouse watching the live racing. I almost cried.
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Certainly no longer a horseman, but if I get much dumber I could be one again. Most matinees I was involved in had to do with a large female groom either on a hay pile near the jog carts or in a tack room.
Many involved marijuana and/or alcohol....mainly because that is what it took to get the job done. 4pezz2
I admire your candor here...I thought I was the only one who understood how this worked. I am dumber than you however.....I married one idunno
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You'll never catch me playing a slot in Ohio. I've been to all those other places that had them & feel sorrry for all those morons who waited in line for Scioto slots to open today. I saw a long time ago: even when riverboat down on Ohio River opened & they made 20 million first weekend off idiots. Have been to Mohawk, Meadows, Mohegan, Empire State (Yonkers) & you have no chance to win. Worse than Vegas, which I've gone to for over 20 years.
I've lived in Las Vegas for 21 years. Unfortunately I do still play video poker. Video poker and the lottery are the only two forms of gambling I generally partake in, other than horse betting. Most of my horse betting I do at the Jug.
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That's why a woman will never be a World Series of Poker Champion. It takes testosterone to figure that stuff out. Just please stay in the kitchen & bedroom & living room (only if serving me a beer). Why complicate things? You had it easy until the 60's bullshit. Of course, all males were into the free-love & the burning the bra thing, but then you developed brains. DANGER
The only thing I just read was.........Blah, Blah......blah blah blah............ ::)