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Title: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: NIATROSS on November 01, 2011, 06:20:35 AM
The races are still a few days away and we will see if the weather plays a role in the outcomes.
After yesterday's draw for post I was a little surprised Uncle Mo was made the 5-2 ML fav..He has yet to win a 2 turn race this yr and has always had distance ?? IMO.He may win the race but I will NOT be making a win bet on him.
LaFranco Dettori will be serving a suspension starting Sat so figure him to be extra sharp on Fri.Personally I am gonna miss him on Sat..
The Turf is filled with excellent fillies and looks like a nice race.
Goldikova again looks like a solid single.I think it took track records to beat her her last couple of losses.What a mare !!!!!!!!!!  bowdown bowdown
I loved and had Big Drama last yr but have my doubts this yr.Very few starts and the recent illness raises questions especially at the ML price.
It wasn;t bad in the old days with only 2 2yo races but now  idunno idunno idunno

Anyways it will be fun capping for the next few days.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: careless hal on November 01, 2011, 08:25:18 AM
I'm working on the Sat. card first.  I'm about half-way through it.  My head is spinning with all the info.  It always comes down to what info is relevant on that day at that time.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: Jeremy on November 01, 2011, 09:01:36 PM
I am not good at these breeders cup races and am trying to decide if I would be better off playing Northfield where I would stand a better chance to win, or play the breeders cup where I have a better chance of losing every race but would win a lot more if I hit.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: badolpuddytat on November 01, 2011, 09:45:34 PM
I am not good at these breeders cup races and am trying to decide if I would be better off playing Northfield where I would stand a better chance to win, or play the breeders cup where I have a better chance of losing every race but would win a lot more if I hit.
That's it Jeremy!!! You hit a B Cup race and you can win $$$$$$$. Not that betting Nfld is bad but there's more value if you can hit a race.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: badolpuddytat on November 01, 2011, 09:49:05 PM
The races are still a few days away and we will see if the weather plays a role in the outcomes.
After yesterday's draw for post I was a little surprised Uncle Mo was made the 5-2 ML fav..He has yet to win a 2 turn race this yr and has always had distance ?? IMO.He may win the race but I will NOT be making a win bet on him.
LaFranco Dettori will be serving a suspension starting Sat so figure him to be extra sharp on Fri.Personally I am gonna miss him on Sat..
The Turf is filled with excellent fillies and looks like a nice race.
Goldikova again looks like a solid single.I think it took track records to beat her her last couple of losses.What a mare !!!!!!!!!!  bowdown bowdown
I loved and had Big Drama last yr but have my doubts this yr.Very few starts and the recent illness raises questions especially at the ML price.
It wasn;t bad in the old days with only 2 2yo races but now  idunno idunno idunno

Anyways it will be fun capping for the next few days.
The so called experts gave Mo a C for his workout. I watched the Mig and he didn't like Mo's workout. I say let them bet him. I'm not. He will have speed all over. I like Flat Out and watch Zito's. Not to win but hit the board.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: Jeremy on November 01, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
That's it Jeremy!!! You hit a B Cup race and you can win $$$$$$$. Not that betting Nfld is bad but there's more value if you can hit a race.

I remember the Kentucky Derby where Super Savor won, and I had the exacta boxed.  Went to cash the ticket at thistledown before heading to Northfield, (thanks to the spat between northfield and thistledown not letting us cash each others tickets) and I had to wait in two lines to finally get the money, and ended up getting to the race I wanted to bet as it was going off.  What I wrote down and planned to bet hit, and I ended up missing out on more because I went to cash another ticket.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: Jeremy on November 01, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
The so called experts gave Mo a C for his workout. I watched the Mig and he didn't like Mo's workout. I say let them bet him. I'm not. He will have speed all over. I like Flat Out and watch Zito's. Not to win but hit the board.

I heard them talking about that on TVG Sunday night between the commentary on the guy dressed as Mount Rushmore
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: NIATROSS on November 02, 2011, 06:12:31 AM
The so called experts gave Mo a C for his workout. I watched the Mig and he didn't like Mo's workout. I say let them bet him. I'm not. He will have speed all over. I like Flat Out and watch Zito's. Not to win but hit the board.

I know Mo got a huge Beyer last time BUT it was only a 4 horse race I think.Now he draws outside in a full field of quality horses trying to get the distance for the 1st time.He may indeed win it but not with money on his nose.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: NIATROSS on November 02, 2011, 06:14:31 AM
I remember the Kentucky Derby where Super Savor won, and I had the exacta boxed.  Went to cash the ticket at thistledown before heading to Northfield, (thanks to the spat between northfield and thistledown not letting us cash each others tickets) and I had to wait in two lines to finally get the money, and ended up getting to the race I wanted to bet as it was going off.  What I wrote down and planned to bet hit, and I ended up missing out on more because I went to cash another ticket.

I think the same problem still exists in IL.Arlington has their own tote system and the other tracks are all on one.It cost me a bundle the night Wooly Bully won a race as a 2yo.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: pezz97 on November 02, 2011, 06:34:42 AM
Today is my Friday , so When I get home from work it will be time to sit down and watch replays till Friday Morning.  rflmao1  Can't wait
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: badolpuddytat on November 02, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
I'm working on the Sat. card first.  I'm about half-way through it.  My head is spinning with all the info.  It always comes down to what info is relevant on that day at that time.
I would tell you that to bet horses that already proved that they like the Churchill Downs course. I remember Bailey and Stevens saying that the dirt course is tricky. Some horses love it, some horses hate it.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: careless hal on November 02, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
No Mo for me.  If he wins, so be it.  I won't have him.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: pezz97 on November 02, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Mo Will definitely be on all of my tickets.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: Jeremy on November 02, 2011, 04:16:11 PM
I think the same problem still exists in IL.Arlington has their own tote system and the other tracks are all on one.It cost me a bundle the night Wooly Bully won a race as a 2yo.

I think that was the first year you couldn't do that between the two tracks, when thistledown went dark Northfield ran commercials on TV making it seem like thistledown closed down for good.  No matter what anyone else from northfield might come on and say, that is how the commercials seemed.

I talked to a friend that worked at thistledown, and she said that Thistledown was pissed about the commercials and will get northfield back for doing so.  A few months later thistledown announced you could no longer cash your northfield tickets at their place, and you couldn't cash thistledown at northfield.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: badolpuddytat on November 02, 2011, 08:08:41 PM
Mo Will definitely be on all of my tickets.
I went to Home Depot today to get a extra big broom for you so I can sweep the tickets off the ground when Mo packs it in. ;) rflmao1
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: pezz97 on November 02, 2011, 10:06:19 PM
I went to Home Depot today to get a extra big broom for you so I can sweep the tickets off the ground when Mo packs it in. ;) rflmao1
How do you know he can't get the distance? He has never done it, so because of that I am supposed to not use him? No chance. I am spreading out in this race in my pick 4's, but to automatically say he can't the distance is crazy to me.  harve to Grace has never won at the distance either, guess she shouldn't be on my tickets either! No Chance, She is on my ticket as well.

The only time Uncle Mo Went longer than a Mile and a 16 was the wood and he was sick.


He all of you can throw him out, that is fine, I might end up with a better price and can make a win bet. He is the best horse IMO
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: careless hal on November 03, 2011, 03:36:55 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to say Mo has no chance.  Obviously a talented horse.  Think he will be the favorite.  I'm not sure about Havre DeGrace either.  May throw her also. I will be looking for overlays in that race.  Since I'm not a multi-race specialist(although I will play some small ones),
I could end up paying both if the odds are attractive.  I just don't think they are going to be.
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: NIATROSS on November 03, 2011, 06:08:21 AM
Pezz maybe right about Mo being the best horse in the race.Mo does have the best talent and the brilliant speed and owns a win over the track.Until he wins at a distance vs older he does have some negatives IMO.Zero wins this yr vs anyone going two turns and he may never seen the rail with that post.He does have distance questions until he actually faces last 1/8 of a mile.He is also facing a full field of older more mature horses for the 1st time.Like pezz he will be on my exotics but will not bet him to win.
Havre De Grace does show a good race at the distance and good recent form but I think is taling ofF some.I also am impressed with recent work over the track
Flat Out seems to be the now horse IMO.He is a lightly raced 5 yo horse who seems to be on an upward cycle.All the recent works at CD have been bullets.
We may all be in awe if So You Think takes to the dirt.126# is the least amount of wgt he has carried this yr gets 1st lasix and blinkers also.
All this makes for a Classic race to watch and wager on
Title: Re: Early Breeders Cup thoughts
Post by: badolpuddytat on November 03, 2011, 06:42:00 AM
If Mo wins then I'm out. Won't be the first or last time that will happen rflmao1. Like Bailey says "they can all get the 1 1/4". Just how fast is another story. A horse that almost died and could be racing his last race at ANY moment won't get any of my money.