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General Category => General Harness Racing Discussion => Topic started by: Headpole Dave on May 20, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
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The man who can't get a license anywhere in the North American hemisphere is up to his old tricks again. Brainard's "training" got He's Gorgeous home in 1:48:3 an all time track record at Vernon Downs. What a joke. Brainard associating with the two biggest scumbags in harness racing, Kesmodel and Marks. Hopefully she's banned shortly too, like her "friends."
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bowdown bowdown Talk about a total scumbag
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bowdown bowdown Talk about a total scumbag
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYuF5DNGglQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
5:05.... Brainard right (judges voice)? Tetrick says "Absolutely HE'S MY IDOL. Makes my job easy." Yup when Marks (the man who can't be licensed in North America for being a complete scumbag) is juicing Tracys junky horses it's pretty disgusting. At least Tetrick admitted who the real "trainer" is...
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Gee. Why don't we just jump to conclusions here? This horse has now won 26 of 54 lifetime starts and well over $730,000. Everyone who ever trained him must be a doper too. The horse won the week before in 1:50 flat with Jack Rice in the sulky and Linda Toscano as the trainer. One week later same horse gets to the half 1.2 seconds faster, paces 1.2 seconds faster with Tim Tetrick driving. I doubt the cheapness of the field. faster half, Tim Tetrick, or the fast track Saturday had anything to do with it?!
Yeah and I doubt Tetrick is any better than Jack Rice. Now let's add to this that Julie and Erv Miller train for Tracy Brainard. Does that make them dopers too? Why not ban Tim Tetrick because he drives for Tracy?
Let's just ban all of them because this horse went faster than Headpole Dave thinks he should have gone.
dorkusinterruptus slaphead noway
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thumbsup-Gary.
And I don't know Josh or Tracy at all.........maybe they are the horrid people you speak of but this example seems to be shooting at a barrel of fish.
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When and IF a positive test is found on the horse then this can be a thread on ItS..........until then.......I don't think it should even be here.
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No problem, take it down if you want.
There's a reason that Marks isn't allowed on or near a racetrack in North America. Did you notice that the horse went 4 seconds faster than it did at the Big M Gary? 4 seconds... Huge coincidence that the horse has been for sale for the past while as well... What about the Kesmodel connection? Kes has a great reputation in the business doesn't he?
You lay down with dogs, you deserve all the criticism that you get. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise. She associates with the worst forms of scum in the business.
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They intentionaly made the track super fast for that night.
when Nuclear Breeze set the world record at Rosecroft they did that too.
It is possible to do that.
I dont know any of them. But have been told Tracey is a nice person from people whose opinions I trust.
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No problem, take it down if you want.
There's a reason that Marks isn't allowed on or near a racetrack in North America. Did you notice that the horse went 4 seconds faster than it did at the Big M Gary? 4 seconds... Huge coincidence that the horse has been for sale for the past while as well... What about the Kesmodel connection? Kes has a great reputation in the business doesn't he?
You lay down with dogs, you deserve all the criticism that you get. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise. She associates with the worst forms of scum in the business.
Do you even have a clue how to read a program? Check out the speed of every horse in the race. They all went well faster that night than they show on the program.
I don't think Julie, Erv Miller, or Tim Tetrick are bad people. I don't concern myself with fantasy, only facts.
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Yes I've read far too many if you asked people that I know. Like I said take it down If you want, maybe I'm wrong or out of line.... There's a big difference between 1:52 and 1:48 and I doubt a fast track had anything to do with it... Tell you what - let's see how many more 1:48 miles this horse goes after it's sold to new connections. I'm going to say very few.
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I am with Headpole.
Tracy trained for yrs for Bulletporoof Enterprises.
Marks is banned across North America.
That is enuff for me.
The Derby and probable Triple Crow winner is owned by a legal loan shark.
The trainer has multiple violations and is facing a 6 month suspension.
That is also enuff for me.
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So Pena is no longer the smartest chemist in harness racing?
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Look at the first race at Scioto Saturday night...........for $2200.
Anyone dare to call Medors a crook?
I don't think he is.
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We have horses at RCR racing for 1800 going in 53 and change.
When the winners share is 900$ you really cant do some elaborate pre race.
Anyway this is the sport now. Everything good is seen with some suspicion.
Given the history of things you can understand why. But its unfair as a whole.
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I am with Headpole.
Tracy trained for yrs for Bulletporoof Enterprises.
Marks is banned across North America.
That is enuff for me.
The Derby and probable Triple Crow winner is owned by a legal loan shark.
The trainer has multiple violations and is facing a 6 month suspension.
That is also enuff for me.
Thank you, I hadn't even brought up her "Perfect World" "Bulletproof" shady deals. There's another group of scumbags. Seems like that is the company she prefers.
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Dave your sick and jealous.
I feel bad for your childhood.
Gary nice site, letting shit like this stay up.
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Dave your sick and jealous.
I feel bad for your childhood.
Gary nice site, letting shit like this stay up.
As someone who doesn't know all about what is going on, except for Bulletproof Enterprises, what did Dave say that was inaccurate?
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Think it should go now.
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thumbsup-Gary.
And I don't know Josh or Tracy at all.........maybe they are the horrid people you speak of but this example seems to be shooting at a barrel of fish.
That is why instead of giving Gary the thumbs up, you should ask for more facts or proof or whatnot from Dave. Does she associate with people that are bad/banned?
If it wasn't horse racing, would you be so quick to defend people that hang out with rotten apples?
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Think it should go now.
Let it stay and have him defend his position
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If it wasn't horse racing, would you be so quick to defend people that hang out with rotten apples?
I'm thumbs thumbsup Gary's take on the race........I think it is much ado about nothing.
Like I said, I don't know the people.........but taking the people out of the equation.......the way the horse raced does not look that bad.
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Let it stay and have him defend his position
I also don't want "Dave's" childhood bashed by someone who just showed up...........you know........just my kind caring and genuine nature.
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I'm thumbs thumbsup Gary's take on the race........I think it is much ado about nothing.
Like I said, I don't know the people.........but taking the people out of the equation.......the way the horse raced does not look that bad.
But he considered the people and found it to be bad, and I would like to know why.
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The one thing I do know about Josh Marks......and I probably couldn't pick him out of a line up.........he dotes on the handicapped son of Jack Rice.........I don't think he is Satan anyway.
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I've stated my position pretty clearly. There's only one person who likes to talk about "my childhood" and that person is a Marks worshipping scumbag that posts slander about everyone at various sites under the handle Juice Junkies. That's the last resort of a mindless sycophant.
Look at who Brainard associates with - known degenerate gambling, horse abusing (over 30 whipping violations), drunk. He's known by everyone in the business as a juice pig and the real trainer... And he's NOT able to be licensed in North America.
Kesmodel - how many positives does this guy have? Complete cheater and no good for the game.
Perfect World/Bullet Proof: filthy owners that did more to ruin the game than just about anyone.
Horse shaved 4 seconds to pace in 1:48 and change. Maybe it's legit, but I don't think so... Horse is up for sale and all of a sudden explodes like that? Sorry not buying it... Shes been tied up with too much filth for me to believe this was legit. I'll wait and see. If the horse regularly paces miles like this for its new connections when sold, I'll apologize. Until that happens, I think it's just Juicing Josh.
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Dave your sick and jealous.
I feel bad for your childhood.
Gary nice site, letting shit like this stay up.
Nice try JuiceJunkies.
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Look at the first race at Scioto Saturday night...........for $2200.
Anyone dare to call Medors a crook?
I don't think he is.
Bad example Amy. Cowboy's lifetime mark is 51 at 2. 51.2 last year at the MEA 5/8 and this year 51.2 (Friday) at SCD 5/8. Horse has shown that type of form.
But to your point, no, no one is calling Mike a crook. (See: everyone of our horses right now).
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It is similar....not exactly the same.......the horse defiantly jumped up in form from previous months and by false analogy it can only be drugs.
He's Gorgeous had a mark of 1:50 flat on the same track the previous year.......a drop to 1:48.3 is far from out of the realm of possibilities.
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It is similar....not exactly the same.......the horse defiantly jumped up in form from previous months and by false analogy it can only be drugs.
He's Gorgeous had a mark of 1:50 flat on the same track the previous year.......a drop to 1:48.3 is far from out of the realm of possibilities.
Amy your logic is flawed because you are comparing someone that is legit and doesn't surround himself with crooks vs someone that hangs around with people that are banned.
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Amy your logic is flawed because you are comparing someone that is legit and doesn't surround himself with crooks vs someone that hangs around with people that are banned.
This argument I see as having more credibility than the horse was performance enhanced.
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Amy your logic is flawed because you are comparing someone that is legit and doesn't surround himself with crooks vs someone that hangs around with people that are banned.
You logic is flawed. Who did Jesus hang with? That's right- harlots, whores, and idolators. Fornication, copulators, and government administrators. Murderers, thieves, and oil company perpetrators...the true scum of society! Yet Jesus was the last perfect human on Earth. Thank you Jesus. Amen.
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These arguments go on endlessly. I don't know Tracy or the Marks, or Kesmodel. Now, if Marks is juicing her horses, how exactly does that work. He can't be anywhere around the track or backstretch. I realize many are ship ins, but still, is he allowed to work on a farm or off track training center? Of course, he could be providing something to those who can to use. What bothers me about all the accusations is that how the hell do you keep a secret like that? Is just one person administering the juice, unbeknownst to anyone else? From my experience if two people on the backstretch know something , in a month a 100 people or more will know.
My favorite type of people are the ones who say my trainer is clean as a hounds tooth, but all the competion who are successful are juicing.
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He'd have spent an awful lot of time around the Brainard barn than, if we are using your definition as a measuring stick.
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And if we are using your measuring stick he has to be an incredibly bright individual.........he's able to elude today's sophisticated testing.........I've yet to meet anyone in harness racing who, in the long run, is able to do this.
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And if we are using your measuring stick he has to be an incredibly bright individual.........he's able to elude today's sophisticated testing.........I've yet to meet anyone in harness racing who, in the long run, is able to do this.
Bill Robinson, Lou Pena, Rene Allard, Ledfords, Bill Elliot, Tatker caught with syringes in test barn (and still allowed to race!!!). Just a few off the top of my head that all have had long runs before getting busted.
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You logic is flawed. Who did Jesus hang with? That's right- harlots, whores, and idolators. Fornication, copulators, and government administrators. Murderers, thieves, and oil company perpetrators...the true scum of society! Yet Jesus was the last perfect human on Earth. Thank you Jesus. Amen.
Your logic is flawed because Jesus tried to change people, and was also the son of God depending on your religion. He was not a mere person. And technically Mary was the last perfect person on earth.
The funny thing is, is that other trainers here are arguing with the gamblers. We aren't calling for a witch hunt, or for you guys to throw other trainers under the bus. But you better get your act together and clean up the sport yourself or a few stories of cheaters will take away all your slot money.
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I never rwad anywhere that Hail Mary was sinless. That might be a Catholic thing, I dunno. idunno
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Bill Robinson, Lou Pena, Rene Allard, Ledfords, Bill Elliot, Tatker caught with syringes in test barn (and still allowed to race!!!). Just a few off the top of my head that all have had long runs before getting busted.
My all time favorite is Brian Pelling.I do believe run out of CA came to Chicago and then ended up FL.
The " GREAT TRAINING " feats he performed in IL were nothing short of miraculous.One summer I guess when the magic " hay oats and water " arrived EVERY horse in his barn went ona roll with new lifetime marks and winning by huge margins.My fav was The Young Tennessee N at the age of 12 or 13 taking a new mark.
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The funny thing is, is that other trainers here are arguing with the gamblers. We aren't calling for a witch hunt, or for you guys to throw other trainers under the bus. But you better get your act together and clean up the sport yourself or a few stories of cheaters will take away all your slot money.
The not so funny thing is........I don't believe cheating is as rampant as what is lead to be believed in the media and over the internet...........THAT is where we better get our act together.
A couple times I've posted the facts and figures on positive tests on this web site.......they are MINISCULE.
Why aren't we talking about Sweet Lou's mile instead of DEFENDING He's Gorgeous?
I believe the "true" cheaters ARE being weeded out...........I believe punishments ARE swift and occasionally TOO harsh if looked at from an honest horseman's perspective.
But the more everyone (and I mean gamblers AND horsemen) sit around and whine about how crooked everyone is the PERCEPTION is going to be that everyone is crooked!
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My all time favorite is Brian Pelling.I do believe run out of CA came to Chicago and then ended up FL.
The " GREAT TRAINING " feats he performed in IL were nothing short of miraculous.One summer I guess when the magic " hay oats and water " arrived EVERY horse in his barn went ona roll with new lifetime marks and winning by huge margins.My fav was The Young Tennessee N at the age of 12 or 13 taking a new mark.
Where is he now?
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Bill Robinson, Lou Pena, Rene Allard, Ledfords, Bill Elliot, Tatker caught with syringes in test barn (and still allowed to race!!!). Just a few off the top of my head that all have had long runs before getting busted.
So you honestly think Jimmy Tatker is nothing but a crook? All the success and good horses he has had is because of drugs because he was caught in the test barn.......which the specifics, I know nothing about, in fact I don't even know if this is true.
I'm still waiting on the Lou Pena blow up.........but I guess it won't be coming because like Josh Marks he is BRILLIANT at eluding detection.
There are bad doctors.....lawyers......cops......teachers..........BAD people through out society.........are BAD people the majority or a small minority?
Maybe the whole Brainard gang is nothing but outlaws...........you still can't convince me THAT horse raced off form Saturday night...........and if he was chemically enhanced, let the testing and judges do their jobs!
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I never rwad anywhere that Hail Mary was sinless. That might be a Catholic thing, I dunno. idunno
It's referred to as the Immaculate Conception. Mary was born free of original sin to her mother Saint Anne. Thus we pray "Immaculate Mary Mother of God, pray for us" This became official church doctrine in the 19th century via a Papal Bull issued by Pope Pius IX.
See, I was not asleep all those years I went to Catholic schools! rflmao1 rflmao1
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So you honestly think Jimmy Tatker is nothing but a crook? All the success and good horses he has had is because of drugs because he was caught in the test barn.......which the specifics, I know nothing about, in fact I don't even know if this is true.
I'm still waiting on the Lou Pena blow up.........but I guess it won't be coming because like Josh Marks he is BRILLIANT at eluding detection.
There are bad doctors.....lawyers......cops......teachers..........BAD people through out society.........are BAD people the majority or a small minority?
Maybe the whole Brainard gang is nothing but outlaws...........you still can't convince me THAT horse raced off form Saturday night...........and if he was chemically enhanced, let the testing and judges do their jobs!
Your Takter suspension:
The Ontario Racing Commission handed leading trotting trainer Jimmy Takter a $10,000 fine and a five-day suspension yesterday.
Takter flew to Toronto for the hearing at Woodbine yesterday after one of his assistants was discovered to be in the possession of syringes the night before.
Takter started five fillies in last night?s Elegantimage eliminations, four of which qualified for the final: Filly At Bigs, Tasty Chip, Southwind Allaire and Armbro Acorn. Takter was given the option of scratching the horses which were subjected to both pre and post race tests.
The ruling was determined based on other precedent setting cases of the same nature where similar fines and suspensions were given.
Horse was still allowed to race although the fact that it was co-owned by Woodbine's CEO Davjd Wilmot probably had nothing to do with it...
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I suppose anyone who has ever given a horse a shot is also a crook? slaphead
I'm guessing there is not a single trainer in all of harness racing history who has never given a horse a shot, laddies.
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No sir Gary, that was not what I implied at all. Amy expressed disbelief in the fact that Tatker had been caught with needles, so I showed her the article and the connections that Jimmy had that got him off without suspension. Well MINOR suspension.Now if a guy is caught sneaking needles into the test barn just before big races (which the horse went on to win) shouldn't some warning bells be going off? The other examples listed - Big Bill Robinson, Ledfords, Bill Elliot, hell even add Coleman if you want, have all been off the charts successful for years before they all came up positive.
But this has deviated from the original post - my belief and it is MY opinion - is that Brainard is juicing through her "friend" Josh, and that she has been allied with some very sketchy well known shady characters in harness racing. I don't even think that is up for debate.
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Tracy is a good friend of mine too. Maybe I should be banned?
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Where is he now?
It has been a few yrs but he was down in FL.Owned a bar and some horses and ran 1-2 in the Isle of Capri pace.
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Are you suspended from having a license anywhere in North America?
Have you been busted many many times juicing horses?
Were you one of the worst owners in the history of the harness business?
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Im not trying to be an asshole Gary, but you keep trying to somehow poo poo the fact that Brainard is and has been involved with the shadiest of the shady in this business.
I can understand the fact that she is your friend, but it doesn't mean that her choices with regards to who she chooses to associate with and train for haven't been noticed and documented. Sketchy would be the polite way of describing them.
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He was not caught in the "test" barn........the ship in or where ever are totally different from the "test" barn.
I wasn't in total disbelief.......I did not know the situation.
There have been horsemen who have had syringes in their possession on a racetrack after treating mares or sick horses at farms and fairgrounds........forgotten about them and were punished for "forgetting" about them.
I don't think $10,000 is a light sentence........and yes you can say Tatker can afford it, but it doesn't matter "who" it is, it matters that the punishment fit the previous punishments.
Before we stabled at a pari mutual track we always had medications which are given intravenously............are we crooks?
Now being at a pari-mutual.......we have larger vet bills and numerous oral administrations.
Do you think running a bottle of penicillin through a horse, treating with bute or banimine, administering vitamins, minerals, training one on lasix which requires needles makes a horseman a crook?
The scenarios are endless.
Tatker was willing to race his horses with confidence because he KNEW there was nothing performance enhancing in them........the the subsequent testing proved it.
What is so laughable to me is how someone can come up with a minor medication infraction in a horse.....which is gambled on.......and they are deemed a crook....but there is barely a NFL player who could pass the strict testing which horses undergo......and they are ALSO wagered on. idunno
Heck Joe Blow going to his regular 9-5 job with Ambien, Percocet, or even freaking Tylenol cold is more "doped" up than our horses are!
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I wonder if only Class 1 and Class 2 positives were called in horse racing would any arguing over "crooks" even be discussed?
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Pardon me, but its the pre race retention barn Amy. Im not sure why I wrote the test barn, but that was an error on my part. Good catch.
He shouldn't have BEEN ALLOWED to race when found with possession of needles in the Retention barn - its specifically outlawed as part of the retention program. Yet he was allowed to race. Not because he was worried about testing positive, but because of the fact that the guy who owned the horse was the CEO of WOODBINE. He (Takter) was even suspended - but the horse was allowed to race! Do you honestly think that they would have a horse that the CEO owned test positive for anything even if he was positive? Give your head a shake.
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I never got a dollar fine or a day's suspension, probably because the both the pre-race blood and post-race urine testing was inadequate.
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It is none of my business who Tracy associates with. She has done nothing wrong as far as I can tell. She associates with me, Tim Tetrick and Erv and Julie Miller. Are they bad too?
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Nope, I didn't say they were. Although Tetrick has been suspended for hidden ownership in the past I believe.
Notice you didn't comment on Marks, Bulletproof or Kesmodel though. That is telling enough for me.
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Pardon me, but its the pre race retention barn Amy. Im not sure why I wrote the test barn, but that was an error on my part. Good catch.
He shouldn't have BEEN ALLOWED to race when found with possession of needles in the Retention barn - its specifically outlawed as part of the retention program. Yet he was allowed to race. Not because he was worried about testing positive, but because of the fact that the guy who owned the horse was the CEO of WOODBINE. He (Takter) was even suspended - but the horse was allowed to race! Do you honestly think that they would have a horse that the CEO owned test positive for anything even if he was positive? Give your head a shake.
I'm just glad it happened in Canada. dorkusinterruptus
But seriously.......I don't think his horses should have raced with syringes coming out of a detention barn............but do I think they were administering performance enhancing harmful drugs? noway
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I never got a dollar fine or a day's suspension, probably because the both the pre-race blood and post-race urine testing was inadequate.
In your day with Elisa testing? You are probably right.
Whole different scenario now.
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Nope, I didn't say they were. Although Tetrick has been suspended for hidden ownership in the past I believe.
Notice you didn't comment on Marks, Bulletproof or Kesmodel though. That is telling enough for me.
I could care less about Josh Marks. He is a non-issue. Kesmodel is one hell of a trainer. Bulletproof Enterprises is not involved with Tracy and I highly doubt she ever got all the money they owed her for training when she did train for them.
I'm just glad it happened in Canada. dorkusinterruptus
Doping originated in Canada, didn't it? rflmao1 "Psst! Psst! I got some good shit from Canada, where there is no FDA. This stuff will pass a test anywhere." rflmao1 rflmao1
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Poor Dave, awful vendetta, and yet, without me you still look like a fool.
You mention she or even he have had positives, please link me to the ruling for this.
Thanks.
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Bulletproof Enterprises is not involved with Tracy and I highly doubt she ever got all the money they owed her for training when she did train for them.
I know other trainers who were involved with them and wouldn't be now due to not only their court proceedings which came to light but their lack of ponying up when the bill came due.......I know ignorance is no excuse.......but I would have known nothing about them until a couple years ago.
Doping originated in Canada, didn't it? rflmao1 "Psst! Psst! I got some good shit from Canada, where there is no FDA. This stuff will pass a test anywhere." rflmao1 rflmao1
Does this go along with my two favorite words on the backstretch......"I heard"?
Aren't Canadians just dopes anyway? dorkusinterruptus
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Poor Dave, awful vendetta, and yet, without me you still look like a fool.
You mention she or even he have had positives, please link me to the ruling for this.
Thanks.
Juice! Hardly recognized you with the name change and no mention of child molestation in your posts. How have you been lately? Thought you had been barred here? Guess you just slithered back in...
Where did I mention Brainard had positives? Im positive that Marks can't be licensed in North America. What is he doing to earn money these days?
Glad you took the time away from being sued to write.
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I could care less about Josh Marks. He is a non-issue. Kesmodel is one hell of a trainer. Bulletproof Enterprises is not involved with Tracy and I highly doubt she ever got all the money they owed her for training when she did train for them.
Doping originated in Canada, didn't it? rflmao1 "Psst! Psst! I got some good shit from Canada, where there is no FDA. This stuff will pass a test anywhere." rflmao1 rflmao1
Kesmodel is a hell of a trainer? How many positives has the guy had???
Bulletproof put Brainard on the map.
Marks is the real trainer, and everyone who knows the two of them is aware of the fact.
I doubt we will ever agree on this, so perhaps we should just agree to disagree.
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Does this go along with my two favorite words on the backstretch......"I heard"?
Aren't Canadians just dopes anyway? dorkusinterruptus
rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1 I heard..... seriously I heard 30 years ago that I slept with both Bill Irvine's wife and Donnie Irvine's wife....in the same week!
Of course both women are like sisters to me and nothing of the sort ever took place to the best of my recollection. And to this day, Mary and Cheryl both deny it ever happened too.
4pezz2 4pezz2
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Marks is the real trainer, and everyone who knows the two of them is aware of the fact.
I doubt we will ever agree on this, so perhaps we should just agree to disagree.
But neither has any medication violations.......not even a small one.........looks like Josh has a whipping problem and Tracy seems to not have her shit together when in the paddock.
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Juice! Hardly recognized you with the name change and no mention of child molestation in your posts. How have you been lately? Thought you had been barred here? Guess you just slithered back in...
Where did I mention Brainard had positives? Im positive that Marks can't be licensed in North America. What is he doing to earn money these days?
Glad you took the time away from being sued to write.
Maybe Juice / javelina can get us a more definitive date when Marks will be training and driving.
After all it was only a couple of yrs ago he told us Marks would be back shortly. rflmao1 rflmao1 rflmao1
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Kesmodel has 5 Class 4 violations and 1 TcO2......occurring the past two years.........I then went back to 98 and stopped looking for more.
Again..........if Class 3, and ESPECIALLY Class 4 and 5s were never called in this industry.......we'd all be better off..........the general public is never made aware of how inconsequential the use of these medications is to the outcome of a race.
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And for those who do not know......TcO2 is baking soda..........just like what most of you have in your kitchen cupboards..........and I will blame horsemen for such a big deal being made out of baking soda, because if the dip-heads would have let the vets treat their horses with the soda properly instead of trying to do it themselves, we'd all still be throwing it in our water buckets everyday!
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Are you suspended from having a license anywhere in North America?
Have you been busted many many times juicing horses?
Were you one of the worst owners in the history of the harness business?
This juicejunkies has really bothered you huh pal?
This post was a response, busted juicing....who got busted?
The only thing busted is dan nance. You however Dave are broken, broken record, broken heart, broken spirit, and someday broken lip.
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A discussion on the supposed enhancement of a horses performance does not need to turn so personal......or violent............not liking this at all. noway
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A discussion on the supposed enhancement of a horses performance does not need to turn so personal......or violent............not liking this at all. noway
Well that is what he does. That is why he got banned under his other name. Had 2 names and when one got banned pulled out the other.
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Juice old buddy, two entire posts without making a reference to child molesting. That's got to be close to a record for you.
Nice threats big fella, lol another keyboard warrior. Where is Josh these days??? How is he doing? Does he have a job? Because last time I checked he can't be licensed in North America. Because of his "lack of integrity." Actually if I remember right, he got suspended for fighting and threatening another trainer/driver. Kind of like... You. Anytime you want to settle up Juice, I'll meet you man to slime. That is if you're not in jail, after the lawsuits headed your way. Pretty funny how your home site ran and hid, and you changed your name. I can't blame you though, I'd be ashamed to post under that handle after all your lies and filth.
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This Javelina poster is gonna split someones lip why? It is Juicejunkies and everybody knows it. Related to Marks as I understand it. So he is going to be defensive about his family. Marks was spotted several times last winter in vicinity of Brainards operation despite having been barred. Anyone defending amy juicers or associates is placing the old head in the sand. Slot infused tracks won't/don't/can't and will not spend the monies needed to catch the cupboard chemists. Anyone believing that racing is relativly clean vs say 20 years ago, is only fooling themselves. Ruling bodies turn a blind eye, and examples as proof are rampiant. Knowing someone is not enough to prove they conduct business in ethical manners.
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. Anyone believing that racing is relatively clean vs say 20 years ago, is only fooling themselves.
I don't just believe it.......I know it.......I've given numerous examples to prove it............with out turning into personal attacks on EITHER side.
Folks like you not believing it is where we are dropping the ball.
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I don't just believe it.......I know it.......I've given numerous examples to prove it............with out turning into personal attacks on EITHER side.
Folks like you not believing it is where we are dropping the ball.
"Folks like me" not believing what exactly? Racing is much more corrupt than 20 years ago and it is fact.. This lily white picture we try to sell has places like Harnessphere/USTA in the dead zone. Wake up. Wanna deny that epogen can be administered up to 10 days out, negating any chance a detention barn is gonna catch someone? Like to deny that there is a whole host of designer drugs that are virtually undetectable, and are being administered daily in the sport? How about just admitting that all these trainers that are batting .-370 or higher are just smarter than their HOF caunterpartsd ever were noway. How many times have we heard "Noone ever suspected........"? 4pezz2
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"Folks like me" not believing what exactly? Racing is much more corrupt than 20 years ago and it is fact..
I've back what I say up with actual facts and figures which have been documented............all you have said is hearsay and rumor.
So you are basically saying horse trainers are so highly intelligent they can outsmart some of the most sophisticated labs and technicians in the world?
slaphead
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Gosh. how old are these guys posting? teenie boppers? back in the day things were done that would make your hair stand on end. most of that has stopped thank goodness. the business is cleaner than it has ever been drug wise because of testing available today. there will always be whining about juicing or sending a horse because lets face facts. when you gamble you lose and when you lose you cry "cheaters or dopers " instead of poor handicapping or rotten luck. Never either of those, it's those damn doping trainers or cheating drivers ::)
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Juice is a piece of shit. Plain and simple.
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Right on the Mark(s). The lowest type of slime there is going. Careful though, his buddy "javelina" will threaten to physically assault you.
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I've back what I say up with actual facts and figures which have been documented............all you have said is hearsay and rumor.
So you are basically saying horse trainers are so highly intelligent they can outsmart some of the most sophisticated labs and technicians in the world?
slaphead
These wonderfully sophisticated labs and techs couldn't even detect the over 1700 violations that Pena has. These are known as threshold violations of "theraputic" drugs. And to think that he is the only one that got away with it for so long is staggering, yet ignorant. Wonder why the Euros decided to race drug free, and we have not? Umm...it's because our sport is already clean? rflmao1
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Every time we get screwed by a longshot, my brother still says as a joke "they stuck a carrot up his ass". If u folks don't think there's cheating, then u don't live in America. It's a big part of our national pastime. Kinda like baseball.