How?

[1time]

8/6/13, Hoosier Park, Race 12. Exacta pays $942. 21.9 shot gets 3rd & pays $11.40 to show. Tri pays $510.40. How? Never seen that, ever.

[Wilderness]

Likely a dollar (or less) payoff on the Tri.

The exacta's in the 13th & 14th on same day also paid more than the Tri.

Hoosier Results
http://www.hoosierpark.com/assets/web_results_08_06_13.txt

13th
EXACTA                              1-3                 11.40
TRIFECTA                            1-3-5                8.70

14th
EXACTA                              1-4                 69.20
TRIFECTA                            1-4-5               52.40

[Wilderness]

BTW, NEVER use the word NEVER in harness racing

[LVGaryD]

8/6/13, Hoosier Park, Race 12. Exacta pays $942. 21.9 shot gets 3rd & pays $11.40 to show. Tri pays $510.40. How? Never seen that, ever.

Maybe you hit the tri too many times?  

[1time]

Wilderness. I know sometimes tri's pay less than exactas, especially when favorite comes in 3rd. My point is that, in this instance, the 3rd place finisher was 22 to 1. Look at race 6 on same day. Exacta pays $672, a 58 to 1 shot gets 3rd & tri pays $8,663.65. Only a 10-horse field also. Mine had way longer shot winning in an 11-horse field & a way bigger exacta payoff. Should have been at least a similar tri payoff, and I would say probably more. I've been betting over 35 years & have seen some weird stuff, but this one's ridiculously peculiar.

[Jeremy]

Likely a dollar (or less) payoff on the Tri.

I believe it is $2 exacta and .50 trifecta

[Wilderness]

I believe it is $2 exacta and .50 trifecta

Many thanks Jeremy.

So that Tri's for the 12th, 13th & 14th are four times the posted price. At least on a $2.00 wager.

 NOT less.

[Wilderness]

results from Twinspires for Aug 8th

5    $16.20    $6.80    $4.00
4    .    $5.20    $3.40
2    .    .    $2.40
   
Results: 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ALL
Wager Type    Winning Numbers    Paid
$2.00 Exacta    5/4    $141.40
$0.50 Trifecta    5/4/2    $123.55
$0.10 Superfecta    5/4/2/8    $113.53
$0.50 Pick-3    4/8/5 3 of 3    $144.60

8    $5.00    $3.00    $4.40
4    .    $5.00    $9.20
6    .    .    $7.80
   
Results: 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ALL
Wager Type    Winning Numbers    Paid
$2.00 Exacta    8/4    $36.40
$0.50 Trifecta    8/4/6    $49.95
Superfecta    Refund    $0.00
$0.50 Pick-3    8/5/3,5,8 3 of 3    $305.25

6    $5.00    $3.00    $3.00
5    .    $7.80    $3.20
7    .    .    $4.20
   
Results: 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ALL
Wager Type    Winning Numbers    Paid
$2.00 Exacta    6/5    $64.80
$0.50 Trifecta    6/5/7    $85.90
$0.10 Superfecta    6/5/7/8    $122.37
$2.00 Double    8/6    $24.00
$0.50 Pick-3    5/3,5,8/6 3 of 3    $78.50
============
from Hoosier's website:
12th
5-ALWAYSAGOODTHING (Ty Smith)       16.20      6.80      4.00     
4-SPEED TRAP (Sa Widger)                       5.20      3.40     
2-ALWAYS WANNA (Tr Tetrick)                              2.40     

WIN, PLACE & SHOW                                           
EXACTA                              5-4                141.40
TRIFECTA                            5-4-2              123.55
SUPERFECTA                          5-4-2-8            113.53
PICK 3                              4-8-5              144.60

13th
8-SKYWAY JAYLO (La Smith)            5.00      3.00      4.40     
4-SWAN LIFE TO LIVE (Ed Hensley)               5.00      9.20     
6-SEVEN POINTS JESSE (Tr Stohler)                        7.80     

WIN, PLACE & SHOW                                           
EXACTA                              8-4                 36.40
TRIFECTA                            8-4-6               49.95
SUPERFECTA                                                   
PICK 3                              8-5-3,5,8          305.25

14th
6-IDEAL HERBIE (Tr Tetrick)          5.00      3.00      3.00     
5-THE BULL WHEEL (Jo Putnam)                   7.80      3.20     
7-JESSE'S DAKOTA (Ja Cross)                              4.20     

WIN, PLACE & SHOW                                           
EXACTA                              6-5                 64.80
TRIFECTA                            6-5-7               85.90
SUPERFECTA                          6-5-7-8            122.37
LATE DOUBLE                         8-6                 24.00
PICK 3                              5-3,5,8-6           78.50

[1time]

So my $2 tri paid $2,041.60. That's still one-fourth or even one-fifth of what it should have paid.

[1time]

The $.10 super paid $790.83 with a 2 to 1 shot in 4th place.

[Wilderness]

Here's a link to the Indiana Racing Commission I'm sure they'll be all ears when you explain to them how you were cheated in a pari-mutuel pool.

[Jeremy]

So my $2 tri paid $2,041.60. That's still one-fourth or even one-fifth of what it should have paid.

so you knew that it was a .50 payoff but you misled us into thinking that the exacta paid more for the same $ wagered?

With the pool being $16953 before takeout all it takes is someone betting $3 or $4 to change the payoffs.

[1time]

Didn't know payoff was based on .50 ticket. I didn't hit it. Was just making an observation. Thanks all for clearing everything up.

[The Giss]

Exacta came back long. Should have been around $600-650. Tri should have been $7K ($1750 on a $.50 ticket). Can anybody get the pool size for the tri on that race (8/6 twelfth) and we can easily see  how many winning dollars of tickets there were.

[tonyb147]

 Exacta    (6-10 $942.00)   $13,106    
 Trifecta    (6-10-2 $510.40)   $16,953    
 Superfecta    (6-10-2-5 $790.83)   $12,111    
 Pick 3    (ALL-3-6 $45.15), (4-ALL-6 $45.15), (4-3-ALL $45.15)   $741    


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