ORC suspends Casie Coleman indefinitely

[pezz97]

You guys can defend her all you want but when the drug facts were posted by the skipper they seemed like performance enhancers.  She also got her probation extended because she was busted for something just last year.


It's always the same whining by Amy as well.. someone gets suspended for a performance enhancer but it is the penalty they get that gives the sport a black eye, not the trainer that used the banned substance.

Whether it is a performance enhancer or not ( I don't know) your post is right on the money. Yes she is in Florida, still her responsibility and this is twice in a year that something happened.   

[AmyHollar]

It's always the same whining by Amy as well.. someone gets suspended for a performance enhancer but it is the penalty they get that gives the sport a black eye, not the trainer that used the banned substance.

Wrong. Not for class 1 and 2.

Lasix can be considered performance enhancing. The molecular structure of our feed supplements is considered performance enhancing. Purina mixes our grain with Lysene. Performance enhancing? What about the medicines in our leg paints and lineaments? Performance enhancing? You can get a positive test for treating a sick horse with penicillin!

I'll whine until common sense is used and not witch hunts.

Far less guidelines and regulations exist in all major sports involving humans than are allowed in horse racing!

[AmyHollar]

And I spelt wrung on porpose!

[AmyHollar]

Whether it is a performance enhancer or not ( I don't know) your post is right on the money. Yes she is in Florida, still her responsibility and this is twice in a year that something happened.   

I've never questioned her ultimate responsibility. The risk she takes.

[The Skipper]

This is getting ridiculous ! I have nothing against CC and really have no feelings one way or another.

I don't get how horse people who to me are honest can defend these violations, that to me is very

disturbing. If used PROPERLY and the way things are meant to be used I have no problem, but these

drugs are being misused and that is where the problem is. ALL horsemen know what to give when to

give and how much to give a horse for therapeutic reasons, how come only certain people get caught

"making a mistake" over and over and over and for the same thing ? I am or was the biggest Joe

Anderson fan that he ever had but you know what ? Joe could not follow the rules and ran himself

out of the business and all I can say is "F#ck him" !  I really don't understand Anyone's logic here,

and if you really think this stuff was used because the horse had diaper rash or a fly bite in the

winter in Canada then I want to invite you guys into my investment group  Yes class 3,4,5

drugs used improperly are against the rules for those of you that don't know that   

I'm done with this thread and to be frank very disappointed with some of the logic and replies that

are in here. I'm going to go get my cop buddies from the bowling alley some lemon poppy seed muffins

now and hope they get piss tested in the next day or two, that would be hilarious. 

[AmyHollar]

Skipper I wish you wouldn't give up on the discussion.  I am in no way familiar with what happened in Casie's case.  Maybe she was trying to gain the advantage.......but as you pointed out.......all horsemen know how to use and when to use certain medications, if this is true why would someone with her success think she was going to get away with it?

I do not refute the breaking of the rules...........I do refute punishment fitting the crime............Casie can afford the days and monetary punishment........could most horsemen? 

No

Most horsemen are not trying to make a horse exceed it's natural ability.  Most medications are designed and used to help a horse reach his natural ability.

Which is why most of us are so diligent on everything which our horses come in contact with........but with human interaction comes human mistakes.  It's in the back of our minds constantly. 

For example......there is a medication for treating horses with problem feet.  You need to "stay out" 48 hours in Ohio.......every time I see Buck grinding up pills to dose a horse I'm  paranoid about clean up and the possibility of cross contamination.

But is it fair to not treat the horse?  Or should a medication used to treat basic foot problems not be given? 

They are athletes...........they are treated more medically sound than many of us treat ourselves.

I have had and will always have HUGE issues with how our industry has educated the public.........the total blame lays on our shoulders...............and I'm afraid it is almost too late to right the ship.

[beans and weenies]

Amen Amy.   I am not on a yahoo poor Cassie band wagon but I am also not going to hang her in the town square for these legal meds used too close to post time .  She is in Florida.  Some Cassie employees may no longer Cassie employees after this one.   You have to walk a fine line treating horses with approved safe meds and God forbid the hungover groom or 2nd trainer or morning feeder did not clean out the feed tub before he fed and hello you have positive because the horse had a handful of feed left over and got ate the next day with the morning feed.  If it says 24 hrs. on meds  better make it 48 hrs.  ya never know. 

[Hungary]

Classy post.

Mark MacDonald is a buddy of mine, and I've known Coleman a long time. Back when her family was stealing feed on the Fraser Downs backstretch because they couldn't afford to pay for it...You're not impressing me with anything you just wrote. Because I know where she came from, I know who she is... She made it to the top putting huge form reversals on all of her horses. There was no secret back when she came to the WEG circuit that her horses were the Pena horses of her time... she'd claim one and it would drop seconds of it's form. Within a week. Everyone of her horses hung up the same way.

After she made her way to the top, she got some good owners and started getting power in her stable. No doubt about it and she mostly got out of the claiming part... But you can't rewrite history, and everyone in the industry knew she was using something. Just like Pena, Just like Robinson, Pelling, etc.... Eventually they all get caught.

And she did... again. This is her second major positive test within 12 months. She has "no idea" how this happened though... Noticed her horses just keep racing under Andrew Harris as well. You think that's fair to other people in the sport?

How come you never mentioned Phil's meteoric soaring to the top? Phil who couldn't train about .200 lifetime, suddenly couldn't be beat in Ontario either. Explain that one please.

As far as going to Daytona? I'm not big into car racing, but unlike you, I could pack up and go anytime I chose. I don't need to wish death or physical harm on you, you're not worth it... Being alive in your miserable world is enough of a sentence for you. Take care.

"Because I know where she came from, I know who she is..."

OK....Jealous Stalker...

A Canadian Born Trainer who has Won $ Million Dollar Races Jealous Goof. One of my favorite singers grew up poor in Ontario...her name....Shania Twain.

"She made it to the top putting huge form reversals on all of her horses."

Yep...I guess every Horse but  Primetime Bobcat & Red Pop.  Please tell us if Saunders and Montini cheated with those 2 horses since you (don't) know all.

"But you can't rewrite history, and everyone in the industry knew she was using something. Just like Pena, Just like Robinson, Pelling, etc.... Eventually they all get caught."

Ron and Mickey Burke post here all the time...are they in the group of people who everyone knows are using?  As far as I know Pena never failed a drug test and Pelling never failed one.

"Noticed her horses just keep racing under Andrew Harris as well. You think that's fair to other people in the sport?"

I used to see horses being trained by Mickey Burke...then out of the blue I saw Ron Burke...was/is that fair to other people in the sport?

"How come you never mentioned Phil's meteoric soaring to the top? Phil who couldn't train about .200 lifetime, suddenly couldn't be beat in Ontario either. Explain that one please."

Sounds like Mickey Burke.

"And she did... again. This is her second major positive test within 12 months. She has "no idea" how this happened though..."

Guilty as charged....Here is the MAJOR Positive Tests:

Ephedrine is a Class III drug and now a Class IV...better call Columbo.   It's not like a groom peeing Oxycodonein (Class I) in the stall.

"but unlike you, I could pack up and go anytime I chose."

Yep...I'm typing this from "The Big House"...wait I am not a Fan of Michigan College...but I root for Da "U"

"Being alive in your miserable world"

Have fun in your Jealous world...Guess who the youngest trainer in harness racing history to surpass the $40 million career earnings mark is?  Hint think Royal Blue & Gold!




 
 


 

[Headpole Dave]

Duck and dodge, say a lot of nothing.

I never brought up Burke, nor will I... Why are you trying to implicate him with Coleman's positives?

And Burke was never stupid enough to try and put out a fire with a bottle of alcohol. He's a little sharper then that...

[beans and weenies]

HPD. you used to work for Cassie or something?     Some people are able to hide their dirty laundry better  than others. its all in who you know.  i would think you would know that. 

[Jeremy]

HPD. you used to work for Cassie or something?     Some people are able to hide their dirty laundry better  than others. its all in who you know.  i would think you would know that. 

Could say the same thing about Hungary and the burkes to be fair.


I thought he did good when he moved to the meadowlands and his horses fit in favorable classes the first couple months because they were in at their meadows level

[Headpole Dave]

HPD. you used to work for Cassie or something?     Some people are able to hide their dirty laundry better  than others. its all in who you know.  i would think you would know that. 

No, I've owned horses out here and I know the people that employed her as a groom, and I know her family.

I don't think very highly of any of them.

I'll not post anymore about it, but there's no doubt in my mind at all that she was and continues to use enhancers to win.

[Gazoo]

Yep...I guess every Horse but  Primetime Bobcat & Red Pop.  Please tell us if Saunders and Montini cheated with those 2 horses since you (don't) know all.

Actually Saunders didn't do very well with Red Pop , claimed the horse for 65k off of Coleman and never made his money back.

[LB46]

I dont really have an opinion on the matter but I do think the arguement that when somebody claims a horse or gets it into their barn and the horse drops, they are using something is utterly ridiculous.  We have no clue what happened after the barn change.  There are many things that can be done to drop a horse that do not involve doping.  Maybe a vet found something that the previous trainers vet missed, maybe the training/jogging schedule/style was different and the horse responded to it, maybe it was as simple as a change of scenery.  For example, Lucky Jim was in Smedshammers barn, I believe, before team Orange Crush got him and he could trot at all but then boom the horse got good and he was the best horse in training for awhile, it happens in this business.

[Gazoo]

I used to see horses being trained by Mickey Burke...then out of the blue I saw Ron Burke...was/is that fair to other people in the sport?

"How come you never mentioned Phil's meteoric soaring to the top? Phil who couldn't train about .200 lifetime, suddenly couldn't be beat in Ontario either. Explain that one please."

Sounds like Mickey Burke.

Mickey's UDRS

2008   .351
2007   .371
2006    .339
2005    .362
2004    .307
2003    .323
2002   .304
2001    .322
2000    .342
1999    .305
1998    .360
1997    .331
1996    .333
1995    .368

I wouldn't call that out of the blue.

There's a better shot of Frank Sinatra posting on here than Mickey Burke .