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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 07:13:00 PM »
They race a lot of days.
Years ago NFLD used to close a couple of months a year and the horsemen went to different venues. The cheaper stock usually went to Raceway and the better stock to the Meadows. At the time the Meadows would race double headers on Sat. Then also race on sundays too. There were plenty of races to get your horses in at the Meadows.
 
I do know that the horsemen at Thistledown wanted the 11% and the Thistledown's MNGMNT would only give them the 9 % of the VLT's. The horsemen with-held the Thistledown signal from going across the nation because they want to get that 11% of the VLT's.

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 07:48:41 PM »
I actually think I am the one who rattled Amy's cage. I love Amy, and I certainly know what buttons to push.

She knows I have absolutely zero respect for a certain person in Ohio and for some reason, she happens to like the guy. I'm thinking she just hasn't known the snake long enough.  ;D

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2013, 07:51:41 PM »
I still think there is a fox in the hen house and I haven't been convinced otherwise and doubt if I ever will.  The numbers do not add up to me I don't care what kind of deals were made or not made.

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2013, 07:57:38 PM »

She knows I have absolutely zero respect for a certain person in Ohio and for some reason, she happens to like the guy.

I bring cheesecakes to her house from time to time if that helps you understand why.

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 09:16:47 PM »

GARY!  The OHHA nor the tracks made a deal over the simulcasting!   4pezz2 4pezz2

And further more, when you were here 15 years ago was ANYONE bitching about it?  And why not?

Amy,
      I read the beginning of this thread and without reading the rest completely, I'm making a comment in the middle.

 Your recollection is incorrect, however you are also correct.

Northfield Park did make a deal.

There are two dollar figures to consider when attempting to add up the dollars.

1) One is the revenue from the wagered dollars, which is different for simulcast and live-on-track. The splits between horsemen's org and the tracks (along with other orgs (state, city, etc)) are defined by law.

 On that point you are correct.

2) The signal fee and it's revenue goes to the track alone (Jeff Gural and company raised the price of the signal fee immediately upon taking possession of The Meadowlands).
 The horsemen get no part of that.

 Northfield Park reduced their signal fee (my recollection is to 1.5%) some years ago to promote other tracks to simulcast their feed.
 Initially this was done just on Monday's and Tuesdays, however once Northfield Park saw the success of this 1.5% it was expanded to other days.

 The tracks are NOT required to reveal these signal fees and many other negotiated fees that were for decades public information, thus it's nearly impossible to make a logical guess on a tracks profitability as it was decades ago.



 

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2013, 09:37:18 PM »
This is what I get for not reading the entire thread.

Amy said basically the same thing as I in her very first reply

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2013, 05:41:27 AM »
You can argue the details of the screwing all you want, the horsemen are still getting screwed.  They are putting on the show and everyone else is profiting far more than them.  Would Justin Bieber agree to do a performance for 1-2% of the gate receipts?  When tracks are getting slot money, I guess it doesn't make any difference. As for me, the hell with the horses.  I'm going to open a gas station here in Illinois and put slots in it.  I'll also offer car detailing, so customers can play the slots while waiting for their car to be done.  They also can get their lottery tickets there.  You see, we can't have slots at the tracks because that would be an expansion of gambling.

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2013, 09:56:37 AM »
I didn't mean to rattle your cage Amy.


I still don't understand fully though why Northfield of all the tracks seems to be the one with the biggest disparity.

For instance RCR races go for between 4500-10000.
With the pools ( total)  for most races falling somewhere in the same region.

I guess I have a learning disability though!

Feel bad for the horseman running there.

SOMEONE is making a lot of money.
It isn't the horsemen.
.  Does Rosecroft race 214 days 14 races a day ?

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Re: Question about Northfield purse vs handle
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2013, 11:09:20 AM »
.  Does Rosecroft race 214 days 14 races a day ?

54 and 12.

The horseman here want no more.

Because purses would suffer.

Ocean downs is open in the summer too if you want to include that.

So its like 80 some days a year in Maryland.
Its enough.


The horseman want the 214 days and 14 races?
Or management wants it?

 

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