Gary Johnson gets some press in Las Vegas

[AmyHollar]

And this is why you will always beat him in the election Jeremy

[Jeremy]

And this is why you will always beat him in the election Jeremy

He is just trying out for the czar of Asian relations

[AmyHollar]

He may win.

[LVGaryD]

And this is why you will always beat him in the election Jeremy

I don't even have an election right now. 

[AmyHollar]

 

[careless hal]

You don't get it.  The "crap" that I'm in favor of is equal rights for all regardless of your religious beliefs, sexual orientation...

I believe in a woman's right to choose during the 1st trimester only.  Then only if the woman's life is at risk.

The far right wants to tell women they can't have an abortion & they can't count on the gov't for financial help.  It's one or the other - you can't have both.

I too believe in a strong military, low taxes & whipping Congress into shape.  I'm a small business owner - any idea how pissed I am at Obama now?  No difference, he never had a prayer at my vote.  But I shop the shit out of everything to save nickels & dimes & then the gov't spends our tax money on confirming that there are no mermaids! 

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/your-tax-money-at-work-noaa-reports-mermaids-dont-exist.452565379/

So, like many of us, I cannot even have a prayer (yes, I believe in G-d) of really being represented by a President.

First of all, belief in equal rights and the Bill Of Rights and our Constitutrion has nothing to do with
social liberalism.  Maybe your insistence as difining it as such is were we really disagree.  I belive in all those things too.  I look at them as conservative values,not liberal values.  The problem is that many use the mantra of "equal rights" to further their agenda that really has nothing to do with equal rights. Excuse me if I refuse to accept demands that we change the very fabric of society as a civil rights issue.

The greatest power government has is the power to tax.  It has been abused and our whole system of taxation is insane.  In spite of the heavy taxation, far more is spent than is brought in.
Taxes remove funds from the private sector and put them under government control.  A lot of the excess spending falls under what I would call social liberal issues.  Social engineering!  I dioesn't work.  The "War on Poverty" waged by the Dems since LBJ is a prime example.

[Dolfan]

First of all, belief in equal rights and the Bill Of Rights and our Constitutrion has nothing to do with
social liberalism.  Maybe your insistence as difining it as such is were we really disagree.  I belive in all those things too.  I look at them as conservative values,not liberal values.  The problem is that many use the mantra of "equal rights" to further their agenda that really has nothing to do with equal rights. Excuse me if I refuse to accept demands that we change the very fabric of society as a civil rights issue.

The greatest power government has is the power to tax.  It has been abused and our whole system of taxation is insane.  In spite of the heavy taxation, far more is spent than is brought in.
Taxes remove funds from the private sector and put them under government control.  A lot of the excess spending falls under what I would call social liberal issues.  Social engineering!  I dioesn't work.  The "War on Poverty" waged by the Dems since LBJ is a prime example.

We agree totally on fiscal issues & that many social programs deserve a continuation of financial support such as disability benefits for the physically disabled or the food stamp program as it was meant to be or unemployment benefits which I have been funding for 15 years as an employer.  We agree then that they are necessary but should not be expanded, correct?

So that leaves the social issues that are not a financial liability.  I support all of them, generally speaking, including the right to bear arms.  If you agree with that then you are definitely NOT "very conservative".

For Gary & other Libertarians: I do not support the legalization of marijuana (or alcohol) in any public places.  That is, what you do in your home is your business but I view them as possible impairments which endangers other people's well-being.  So I guess you can say that I am in favor of legalizing (& taxing) the sale of those habits but not for public use.  As opposed to prostitution which should absolutely be legalized & taxed.

I had to have lost Hal by now!

[careless hal]

I support all of them, generally speaking, including the right to bear arms.  If you agree with that then you are definitely NOT "very conservative".

I will inform my conservative friends, who all support the right to bear arms, that they can no longer do so and claim to be conservative, according to Dolfan.  There are very very few social issues that do not involve cost. 

What we can agree on is that the Federal Government is a high cost way to attack any problem or run any agency.  Most would agree that the Feds have to provide for our defense.  But, look at the waste.  The latest involves Obama's "greening" of the military.  The Navy is being forced to use fuel that costs $26 a gallon! 
Medicare, Medicaid and Social security have been run into the ground and  look to be Ponzi schemes because of misuse of funds by the feds.  Yet, many now want them to run our whole health care system.  Sure, the present system is not perfect, but we are throwing away the baby with the bath water.
Administrative costs are out of control and waste is the norm for most all federal programs.
In the private sector, a highly inefficient business will soon be out of business.  But, that is not the case with the feds.  They just raise taxes or print more money or take out more loans. 
As for other "social issues", whether you agree or not, there are many sides to most issues.
I assure you that you could never "lose" me.

[Just Saying]

  The latest involves Obama's "greening" of the military.  The Navy is being forced to use fuel that costs $26 a gallon! 
 
I assure you that you could never "lose" me.

Also $59/gal Jet fuel. WAIT! Doesn't that come from fuel producers? (youknow: The Evil)

Losing Hal is like getting away from the IRS... ain't gonna happen.

[Jeremy]

Since we are on the subject of fuel prices.  The latest Obama ad annoys me.

He said he wants to eliminate the oil subsidies to help out the lower classes (not sure of the exact wording) and have the wealthiest people pay a bit more.

I hope people are smart enough to realize that if the oil companies are making $1 billion now, they will want to make $1 billion if the subsidies are eliminated.  When that happens the price at the pump goes up and the lower classes get to pay more per gallon of gas.  The rich already pay a majority of taxes so they are in theory paying to keep the prices lower on gasoline.