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General Category => Political Talk => Topic started by: careless hal on February 09, 2012, 03:54:57 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game
Mine came back Perry, Santorum, Bachman. On Santorum is left, so he is the guy.
Actually, I've always liked him but didn't think he had much chance. Maybe things are changing now, and he does. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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What were your percents? My top was Romney at 47.9%
Some answers I was hoping for
In regards to social security... Reduce foreign aid and use that money for social security
In regards to gay marriage... The westboro baptist church is against gay marriage, do you want to be like them
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In regards to gay marriage... The westboro baptist church is against gay marriage, do you want to be like them
That does not make sense. So, anything the Westboro Baptist Church is against, you can't be against also? There are some things that President Obama is against that I am also. Does that mean I'm like him? Sorry, but I think marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't care if gays live together. I don't care if they love one another or what they do in the privacy of their bedroom. I've had gay friends and had to work with gays. They had no problem with me. I had no trouble letting them know exactly how I felt. Most of the gays I knew or know I would say are good people. But, that doesn't mean I have to support everything some might believe in or I am anti-gay. I don't play political correctness games.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game
Mine came back Perry, Santorum, Bachman. On Santorum is left, so he is the guy.
Actually, I've always liked him but didn't think he had much chance. Maybe things are changing now, and he does. thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
Maybe Armageddon is being delayed.............COME ON SANTORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In regards to social security... Reduce foreign aid and use that money for social security
That may help...some but I'd rather we turn the clock back to the Lyndon Johnson (DEMOCRAT) era and cancel his (and Ft Worthless Jim Wright) looting of the Social Security trust fund by placing those billions of dollars into their "General Fund".
Had to finance Johnsons War on Poverty don'tcha know??
Now there's a democrat program that really worked!!!
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In regards to gay marriage... The westboro baptist church is against gay marriage, do you want to be like them
That does not make sense. So, anything the Westboro Baptist Church is against, you can't be against also? There are some things that President Obama is against that I am also. Does that mean I'm like him? Sorry, but I think marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't care if gays live together. I don't care if they love one another or what they do in the privacy of their bedroom. I've had gay friends and had to work with gays. They had no problem with me. I had no trouble letting them know exactly how I felt. Most of the gays I knew or know I would say are good people. But, that doesn't mean I have to support everything some might believe in or I am anti-gay. I don't play political correctness games.
I said answer I was hoping for. At 47% you can see I don't agree on much with any of them.
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That may help...some but I'd rather we turn the clock back to the Lyndon Johnson (DEMOCRAT) era and cancel his (and Ft Worthless Jim Wright) looting of the Social Security trust fund by placing those billions of dollars into their "General Fund".
Had to finance Johnsons War on Poverty don'tcha know??
Now there's a democrat program that really worked!!!
Also not wise to lower the withholding to 4.2% instead of trying to 'stimulate' the economy a different way.
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Mine came up with Romney at 53%, then Huntsman, then Newt. thumbsup
Here's what I don't get about the far right and gay marriage:
1 - It doesn't harm anyone.
2 - It's nobody else's business.
3 - Why does anyone care?
70% of Americans between 18-35 approve of gay marriage. 33% of 55+ "disapprove". You just have to give in to the future. If you don't like it, who cares anyway, it doesn't affect you at all. 4pezz2
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Mine came up with Romney at 53%, then Huntsman, then Newt. thumbsup
Here's what I don't get about the far right and gay marriage:
1 - It doesn't harm anyone.
2 - It's nobody else's business.
3 - Why does anyone care?
70% of Americans between 18-35 approve of gay marriage. 33% of 55+ "disapprove". You just have to give in to the future. If you don't like it, who cares anyway, it doesn't affect you at all. 4pezz2
I respectfully disagree. There are a lot of things that don';t "hurt" me, but that doesn't make it right. I have no problem with gays living tiogether and doing whatever their little hearts desire.
However, in my old-fashioned view, the purpose of marriage is pro-creation and a setting for the family. A gay person doesn't have to be married in order to adopt a child. In this cocamammy world they can even have their eggs fertilized and implanted and bear a child if a lesbian. We don't have to legalize every aberrant behavior. Obviously, I don't buy the "born that way" bullcrap.
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I respectfully disagree. There are a lot of things that don';t "hurt" me, but that doesn't make it right. I have no problem with gays living tiogether and doing whatever their little hearts desire.
However, in my old-fashioned view, the purpose of marriage is pro-creation and a setting for the family. A gay person doesn't have to be married in order to adopt a child. In this cocamammy world they can even have their eggs fertilized and implanted and bear a child if a lesbian. We don't have to legalize every aberrant behavior.
So that means you're against senior citizens getting married too. They will not pro-create into their 60's & 70's & 80's.
And who sits up high & defines "aberrant behavior"? Politicians who cheat & steal? Voters who, apparently like you know nothing but what they've been brought up to believe in?
You have the right to define it for yourself but not for others.
"Little hearts" -- that is so condescending. What do you fear from gays?
Obviously, I don't buy the "born that way" bullcrap.
It's only "bullcrap" to you. Studies prove you are wrong although I'm certain it is a choice for some but who cares anyway? How does their choice affect you?
Hal, you are certainly not "Careless" if you think it's appropriate that our lame-ass society of voters decide how anybody should live. How's our voting record lately? Bush 2ice & Obama! That's the voters of this country.
You are God's child no more, no less than any gay or eunuch. And He loves you no more, no less despite your rotten opinion.
'Nuff said. Keep your head buried.
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To put it bluntly, you are full of shit. It is aberrant behavior,. I am forcing my views? It is just the other way around. The world turned upside down. Maybe you buy into to the psuedo-science that tries to justify everything. If you are that gulliable so be it. I have heard pedophillia called an "illness" also. I suppose someone as naive as you buys into to that too.
No one is deciding how anyone should live. As I said before, we don't have to change our laws everytime some special interest group gets a bug up their ass. I forgot more than you will ever know. PS--I was brought up a liberal Democrat.
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To put it bluntly, you are full of shit. It is aberrant behavior,. I am forcing my views? It is just the other way around. The world turned upside down. Maybe you buy into to the psuedo-science that tries to justify everything. If you are that gulliable so be it. I have heard pedophillia called an "illness" also. I suppose someone as naive as you buys into to that too.
No one is deciding how anyone should live. As I said before, we don't have to change our laws everytime some special interest group gets a bug up their ass. I forgot more than you will ever know. PS--I was brought up a liberal Democrat.
Actually it seems like the people that want to make the laws are the anti gay marriage people and they are decided how people should live. But Hal when you said you 'had to work with' gays I think you are not as tolerant as you claim.
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Churches should always have the right to perform or not perform a "gay marriage".............but when it comes to civil unions in which two people are viewed in the eyes of the law as "married" and afforded the same benefits we have no right to deny.
When we deny, we are passing judgement upon their sin.......and can someone point to the Bible and tell me where the act of homosexuality is any more of a sin than coveting thy neighbors wife?
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Obviously, I don't buy the "born that way" bullcrap.
This may be the biggest statement you and I will ever totally and vehemently disagree upon.
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To put it bluntly, you are full of shit. It is aberrant behavior,. I am forcing my views? It is just the other way around.
How does anybody else's choices, desires or happiness affect YOU?
Your CHOICE to call it "aberrant behavior" is exactly that - your choice! And you are absolutely forcing your views and the fact that you think that I'm full of shit just goes to prove your bigotry. Please don't try to run from that; it is bigotry.
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Wow Dolfan you are quick to call anyone who disagrees with a "bigot" I think if anyone is a bigot around here it is you. Agree with every demand of so called "gay rights" groups or you are a homophobe.. As for scientific proof that gay people are born that way, there isn't any. No physical difference has ever been proved between people of different sexual orientation. Sure, pro gay groups have comissioned studies to try and prove it, but that is not how the scientific method works. You state how younger people are all in favor of gay marriage. Is it any wonder with the bombardment by the media that this is true. So, go ahead and enjoy your name calling. I will not stick my head in the sand and will continue to state what I think is right. If you don't agree, fine.
It is obvious we will never agree .
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Wow Dolfan you are quick to call anyone who disagrees with a "bigot" I think if anyone is a bigot around here it is you. Agree with every demand of so called "gay rights" groups or you are a homophobe.. As for scientific proof that gay people are born that way, there isn't any. No physical difference has ever been proved between people of different sexual orientation.
According to Merriam-Webster, a bigot is:
"a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance".
That defines your position, not mine.
Scientific proof: There have been many studies with mixed results but let's use some logic. Teenagers KNOW that they will be laughed at, made fools of & generally will be miserable, particularly boys yet they still make that "choice"? Does this make sense?
While I do agree that for some, maybe 20%(?) it is a choice but for the large majority, choice absolutely defies logic.
I also agree that you are free to speak your mind & beliefs and do whatever pleases you that does no harm to anyone else, including using illegal drugs or alcohol in your own home. But where we clearly differ is your disbelief that EVERYONE deserves the same, regardless of age, race or sexual orientation.
You do realize that only a few years ago, in some states, "sodomy" (anything other than vaginal sex) between 2 consenting adults in the privacy of their own home was illegal & police had the right to enter a home (I assume with a warrant but don't know that for sure) and make arrests?
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When I hear the argument about no scientific proof of homosexuality I have to laugh........that is just as silly as saying there is scientific proof of heterosexuality............. idunno...............how you do scientifically prove someone loves another?
By the same token........how can someone think a person would "choose" to be gay? One tries to "choose" the path of least resistance in life don't they?
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I don't want to get into the name calling but I am curious as to what Hal thinks makes a person "choose" to be gay.
Their parents?
Abuse?
Or just over all deviant personalities?
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Amy all people have homosexual and heterosexual urges. At least that it was I was told in the many psychology classes I took.
Dolfan, you can call me a bigot as many times as you want but it is not the case. I don't agree with you and never will agree with you because you don't
make any sense. Many years ago when I was in high school, most gays were in the closet. There was one gay guy in my homeroom when I was a senior. I was one of the few that would talk to him, sit with him at lunch and even go out for a smoke with him. (yes, we had designated smoking areas in those days.) On day some a-hole sucker punched him. It was me who put the bully on the ground and made him say uncle. Because I don't buy into every gay rights demand does not make me a bigot. People like you who can't stand anyone who doesn't kiss their ass when they state their opinion is much more of a bigot. That's it. No sense carrying this on for 10 pages.
have a good day.
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For the record........I don't consider you a bigot Hal.
I think this is a generational view point as to where we both stand.
I'm just glad to see people able to live their lives with out shame for who they love.......whether gay, straight, black, white or hot Asian in Gary's case.
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Sure is funny how the "tolerant" people resort to name-calling and character assasination the minute someone offers an opposing opinion. I was accused of being a bigot and a anti-semite here once... but I'm pretty sure my two black God Daughters would disagree about their Uncls JS, and my very best friend would also take exception, even if he is a Jew.
Trying to label others to win an argument says way more about yourself than anyone else.
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Sure is funny how the "tolerant" people resort to name-calling and character assasination the minute someone offers an opposing opinion. I was accused of being a bigot and a anti-semite here once... but I'm pretty sure my two black God Daughters would disagree about their Uncls JS, and my very best friend would also take exception, even if he is a Jew.
Trying to label others to win an argument says way more about yourself than anyone else.
that was after profanity when it wasn't called for.
Not sure how someone can say they are tolerant of a group of people though when describing their work experience as 'had to work with them'
Gay marriage I don't find disturbing at all. What I find disturbing are people that lust and make comments about what they would like to do to women that are young enough to be their grandchildren.
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Here's one for you: I don't agree with Hal that homosexuality is always a choice. In fact I think that it is seldom a choice.
Guess What? He's still a good friend of mine and he doesn't deserve to be tagged as something he's not because he disagrees with you.
I just love the "Tolerant Ones"... who are always intolerant.
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I just love the "Tolerant Ones"... who are always intolerant.
Uhh....hmmmmm........ noway.
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Uhh....hmmmmm........ noway.
Hmmmm... Now I'm confused. I just agreed with you that I don't think homosexuality is often a choice, in fact almost never. But you still want to disagree with me. idunno
Damn! Tough crowd tonight...
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Here is my disagreement..............I think I am a "tolerant one" and the only thing I am intolerant of is Gary's hugs.
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With good reason
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With good reason
Next you'll accuse him of releasing noxious gasses.
ps I always make sure I'm up-wind when he hugs me. shhh
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Oh he is a gas-bag........that I will name call him too.
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I just love the "Tolerant Ones"... who are always intolerant.
Me too. idunno
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Here's what you folks have me wondering...
Why do you consider the word "bigot" name-calling but "intolerant" not name-calling. They appear to mean the same thing to me. Would it have more appropriate for me to have said "Hal, your intolerance is not something that many of us agree with"? 4pezz2
I know Hal would enjoy a withdrawal of the word "bigot" but he has said enough to earn that label. Trouble is people see that as a negative word & the last thing they want to do is admit that they may have bigoted views.
Amy, it is clear that you take a stand for tolerance as most(?) of you do but i don't even consider this a "tolerance" issue. I see it as a fact that it is none of my business what anyone's sexual preference or lifestyle is nor do I care. But I will not suck up to anyone who I vehemently disagree with. These are simply civil rights and the courts will all eventually come to see that as clear as women's rights & colored people's rights. I will however, defend their right to disagree & voice it.
What is a tolerance issue is when you've paid $10 for a seat in a simulcast area & a handful of free loaders stand in your way & keep you from seeing the race. I can either spend my night complaining or "tolerate" it! idunno
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Gay marriage I don't find disturbing at all. What I find disturbing are people that lust and make comments about what they would like to do to women that are young enough to be their grandchildren.
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I see the difference!
I'm pretty sure I'm just "tolerating" St Calvin right now. 8)
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Washington becomes the 7th state to legalize & recognize same sex marriages.
thumbsup thumbsup
Another small victory for freedom & civil rights.
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My point of view:
1. I don't care what any two people do in the privacy of their bedroom or their kitchen table.
2. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
3. If gays want to choose "life partners" and live together, fine. Civil unions? Maybe.
It is very clear that radical gay groups have an agenda. If you do not buy into every point, you are labeled a bigot, or worse. Some who have been labeled a bigot in recent days: Mitt Romney, Santorum, Cardinal George(Arch-bigot). The list could go on and on. I am sure that the great majority of Republicans would qualify for their"bigot" label. Most Catholics would also qualify..
These linguistic terrorists may even resort to violence if they don't get their way. We have seen a little of that. We can only hope their assaults are limited to the verbal kind.
As a person who has always treated gays as I would anyone else, of course, I don't like the "bigot" label. Heck, I've even had gay couples over to my house for parties. If only they knew I was an anti-gay bigot, they wouldn't have come.
Because you are"intolerant" of someone's point of view on a subject does NOT make you a "bigot"
There are a lot of point of views I can't tolerate. Does this mean I "hate" the people who hold them? Of course not.
As for Jeremy's comments, I apoliogize for using vulgar language. I never was profane.
I am very confused by your statement that you are in favor of gay marriage, but then go on to indicate that you would not be in favor of any May- December relationship. How dare that 75 year old gay guy lust after a 25 year old gay guy. Or, are you only disgusted if a 75 year old man lusts after a 22 year old woman? You must have threw up when Tony Randall, at age 75, had his first of two children with a 25 year old woman.
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I've read comments about what guys on this board would have loved to do to Miley Cyrus before she turned 18 as well as that golfer. (What I was disgusted by and find more disturbing than the thought of gays marrying) Some members of this board that made comments could have grandchildren that age.
That has nothing to do with a 75 year old marrying a 25 year old. I also don't recall saying they shouldn't be allowed to get married, because its not my business or care if they do or not.
I wouldn't call myself a proponent of gay marriage, but a proponent of less laws where people try to get control over others. I feel the same way about this as I did the smoking ban. I don't smoke but don't want to take the right of business owners to establish rules on smoking in their business. Just like I don't want to take the rights away from gays to get married.
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To Quote Rosanne Rosanna Danna: "It's always somethin'"
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I wouldn't call myself a proponent of gay marriage, but a proponent of less laws where people try to get control over others. I feel the same way about this as I did the smoking ban.
I completely accept that view. I feel as you do about the smoking ban as well.
When it comes to alcohol I feel totally different because I know only too many people who have been affected by drunk drivers. Want to get wasted on drugs & alcohol? Just do it at home where you can't kill anyone else.
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To Quote Rosanne Rosanna Danna: "It's always somethin'"
Funny how you never comment when someone you agree with keeps a thread going, but when someone responds them them there you go again, and add nothing to the conversation.
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I do that all the time. 8)
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Funny how you never comment when someone you agree with keeps a thread going, but when someone responds them them there you go again, and add nothing to the conversation.
If I add nothing to the conversation, why would you bother to respond? Seems kinda silly.
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If I add nothing to the conversation, why would you bother to respond? Seems kinda silly.
Just to call you out on it.
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SO anyway......gay marriage......yay or nay?
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SO anyway......gay marriage......yay or nay?
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I don't see why not.
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SO anyway......gay marriage......yay or nay?
No, but thanks for the offer. I kinda like the one I have now.
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I lust after Sophia Loren. Now... she's young enough to be Careless Hal's grandaughter.
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Well the gay guy on Survivor is trying his best to set gay rights and opinions back 50 years... what an asshole.